Microsoft Edge (linux ver)

elfprince

brent Didn't notice any such things. but I did disable all nonsense in settings. 🤣

Axios

jppelt Waterfox seemed to be ok was trying it out on deb install got where it wouldnt install (waterfox Problem) so i deleted it..lol then that system crashed. Then crashed my solus install on updates. But back to your question I think it was alright and it was being actively updated havent tried it for awhile not sure how its matured just looked at website seems still active I had no real problems they have an appimage https://appimage.github.io/Waterfox_Current/

jppelt

WhiteWolf I'm with you. The reason I do not or would not buy Lenovo - owned by the Chinese version of NSA. Not saying MS, Dell or anyone else doesn't allow backdoors or actively collects info. I have some, albeit limited, legal recourse in the US, none in China. Also, I just like when things are built (mostly) local - big fan of System76.

Axios Thanks..I might try the App. I've taken above recommendations and started testing Vivaldi for daily use on my laptop - right now, feels clunky. I've been using FF for what seems to be an eternity but also starts to feel clunky and there is always so much drama at the Mozilla foundation.

Well, until then, let's see what Vivaldi brings...

tomscharbach

I've been testing/evaluating the new Edge since April 2019, first on Win10, then Android, then iOS. Microsoft has done a good job of unGoogling the browser, and I'm satisfied that the Edge offers a reasonable level of privacy within the Microsoft ecosystem. Edge is still something of a work in progress, but all the basics are in place in the Win10, Android and iOS Stable builds, and I assume that Edge on Linux will get to that point in a matter of months.

I've been using Firefox as my primary browser for 15+ years but am willing to consider moving to Edge if and when a stable release is available on Solus. However, because my Solus install is a production install, I'm not interested in using any apps (including Edge) that Solus does not include in the repository. I've noticed that Solus includes various browsers (including Stable, Dev and Canary versions of Chrome) in the 3rd Party repository. Does anyone know whether Solus has any plans to do so with Edge?

JoshStrobl

tomscharbach Does anyone know whether Solus has any plans to do so with Edge?

It isn't redistributable and we have no plans on including it in Third Party (we're not accepting any new software in there). So Microsoft should probably support it as a snap.

tomscharbach

JoshStrobl

Thanks for the clarification, Josh. It is what I expected. Microsoft seems to be primarily interested in enterprise suppliers (Canonical, RedHat, SUSE) in this and all things Linux (e.g. WSL2, the MS repository). I don't expect them to go beyond .deb and .rpm releases unless they release as a Snap or Flatpak, I'll see what they do down the road, if anything.

JoshStrobl

tomscharbach Well, they provide an official snap for Visual Studio Code, no reason they couldn't for their other apps 🙂

jeremymolina

tomscharbach In one of the podcast I listen they invited some devs from Edge the reason they aren't shipping Edge to many distros, packages format, is because as this is still a Beta (it's actually more like an alpha) they would like not to have fragmentation in the start, more packages, more distros, more maintenance and developers or resources they will need.

They are not willing to afford this until there is an opportunity of demand and growth.

I truly understand their decision, Linux community has been really negatle about Edge coming here...

brent

jppelt While I was unhappy that IBM was not picky about who bought them out, I still love Lenovo. I enjoy their older desktop thinkcentres the most. These are very well-built workhorses. Because I prefer to buy used Lenovos I can't upgrade my firmware or hardware since I am not the owner of record (of the serial #) and at their website they only deal with owner of record (last time I tried). So there are not the tentacles you allude to.
Perhaps owning Lenovo new is different? I don't want to speak out of turn.

edit: yes I know I am off topic on a thread that went off topic many posts ago. I'm sorry.

Axios

Wow guess there will always be a browser War!!...lol

RobertK

Brucehankins Well you asked and I gave you my answer. Opera was a good browser, but to me it's gone downhill which is sad.

Axios

Been having trouble with firefox lately couldnt exactly figure why then was led to it by an extension update and further research it was (Nano-Adblock) its not in mozilla extensions anymore just for google chrome BUT! because of the new developers and code they added its now classified as (Malware) so please delete it in both chrome and firefox or do your own research if you use it. I have got decide what problems it could have caused now. Going back to old trusted ublock..lol
(P.s. kinda went along with the post in here just thought I would mention it)

brent

Axios thanks for the tip. i have an adblock in FF but unsure it's Nano---nano is the creator or official name?
PS--umatrix also a beast

Solarmass

Axios Going back to old trusted ublock..

uBlock Origin by gorhill, yes 👍️

https://www.ghacks.net/2020/10/16/time-to-remove-nano-adblocker-and-defender-from-your-browsers-except-firefox/

brent

Solarmass Axios took me a long time to see if i had the right adblocker. I just have "adblock"---non-nano.
Nano defender exists in the FF extensions store. Nano adblocker does not exist in this store. Sigh of relief. Appreciate the research of you both.

Axios

brent Nano-Adblock was an fork of ublock the reason nano-defender is still listed it works with ublock
https://www.ghacks.net/2020/10/16/time-to-remove-nano-adblocker-and-defender-from-your-browsers-except-firefox/
But I would remove both if anyone has it installed!!!! I just went back to Ublock without issue Used it for years went to Nano used it for years until now. I had issuess with facebook but from reading above site I know why but not sure if it was unloading from memory as computer runs better now and i havent done anything else. Sure I am safe now..But all was strange. (Haha if i could read sometimes didnt notice that was same link solarmass posted..lol)

tomscharbach

jeremymolina Thanks for the information about the podcast. I agree with Mcrosoft's decision.

Unless you heard something to the contrary in the podcast, though, I doubt that Microsoft will expand release beyond .deb and .rpm packages once a Stable verison is released, unless it does so by issuing Snap/Flatpack Stable releases.

Like you, I suspect that very few Linux users will be interested in Edge, unless the users are operating in a mixed W10/Linux environment, most likely in a business or enterprise environment. Accordingly, I can't think of a good business reason why Microsoft would move beyond the business/enterprise customer base (Canonical, RedHat, SUSE) with respect to Edge on Linux. The cost/benefit just isn't there.

I like Edge, through, so I'll hope for a Snap or Flatpak release in time.

brent

tomscharbach and jeremymolina -

this conversation regarding the business end of how these things work was interesting, thank you both.
I think at the end of the day any Linux opposition to Edge will be split regarding "is it linux functional or buggy?" vs. philosophical. Personally I'm the second one but to act on principal is a devalued and aniquated thing these days.

jppelt

JoshStrobl I'm using Vivaldi now. F2 function is killer - then again, I like the Albert app too. A little overwhelming at first but the tiling, notes, and everything else just 'fits.' I removed Firefox and Brave. Stopped distro hopping with Solus. Stopped browser hopping with Vivaldi. Thanks!

[deleted]

Wow, so much postings. So Iet me put in my two cents.
No one says anything about privacy when surfing in the net. It's the core business of Google, all (un)social media platforms to gather as much metadata as they can get from you. And M$ is one of those as well.
a browser should show you the tracking activities when you open some site.

kyrios

[deleted] I don't subscribe to your point of view ecause it completely lacks nuance: A major difference between Google and Microsoft is that Google business model is based on the monetization of personal data while Microsoft incomes comes from selling subscriptions and licenses. The biggest problem regarding Privacy with Microsoft is that it that it openly collaborate with governments and grant them access to personal data without controlling if their request is legitimate or not.

Brucehankins

[deleted] kyrios Like you said, Google earns it's revenue primarily off of advertising and Microsoft is building around recurring revenue packages. Two very different business models that take differing approaches to data privacy. It also seems to me that the companies like Google, Facebook, and others are always one step ahead of the browsers. Cookies are blocked, it can break a web page, or they have other ways to perform digital fingerprinting. It seems like you have to go to great lengths to obtain any small amount of anonymity.

Off-topic, I think an option that should be discussed is data portability and the right for the product (us) to monetize that information.

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