JoshStrobl It's been "year of Linux on the desktop" for me since 2008. I don't believe there is any magical market share number where suddenly Linux is experiencing its "year on the desktop". In my opinion everyone, individually, has their own "year of Linux on the desktop".
My year of Linux on the desktop was whenever it was I started using Solus. Windows is on life-support since then, for a few games that absolutely need it.
JoshStrobl .It's time for you to re-assess the landscape and your notions of it.
I am under-researched when it comes to anything MS, but I can see where people could still have a negative impression. I personally don't enjoy their products nor trust them but I acknowledge they help make the world go round including mine.
JoshStrobl They've been contributing to the kernel for years and have been a corporate platinum member of the Linux Foundation, meaning they annually pay at least half a million USD a year and have a say via its Board of Directors, for 4 years now.
this is the first positive spin of the Linux Foundation thing I ever read, but as said, I don't keep up with the industry like a professional would.
You made a good argument for reassessment, and I will try to keep an open mind about this company's rehabilitation (it's hard
). Your reply is a good reminder to keep hardships that were in the past, in the past, and consider the here and now. Sage life advice, as well.
Solarmass Have you taken a look at Opera lately? Yes, still chromium based, but some of the features I haven't found anywhere else. Workspaces for example, I use all the time and now can't imagine how I'd use a browser without it.
I still use Chrome for work, but will probably replace that with Firefox soon.
Brucehankins Have you taken a look at Opera lately?
Does it not bother you that Opera is based out of China? Asking for a friend.
Brucehankins Have you taken a look at Opera lately? Yes, still chromium based, but some of the features I haven't found anywhere else. Workspaces for example, I use all the time and now can't imagine how I'd use a browser without it.
No, I haven't. I was an Opera refugee and I don't trust this company anymore. Chromium based was one of the reason. I remember their managers' blog-posts and answers back then, they refused to implement some of the main Opera Classic features and it became clear that their target audience not the power-users...
I still use Chrome for work, but will probably replace that with Firefox soon.
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Brucehankins As a former Opera user of many many years: Vivaldi is the one true Opera.
Opera today is a shadow of its former self. It used to be my browser, my email client, my calendar, and my IRC client. There was nothing like it. It used to be my development browser of choice because anything I implemented that worked on Opera was guaranteed to work on every other browser. They followed W3C specifications to the letter and never implemented a feature until it had a formal specification. No draft features. No half-baked implementations of HTTP/2.
Now it's just Chromium with a different interface and the odd useful feature that they brought back from the old Opera.
JoshStrobl Out of curiosity, which one do you recommend? I am assuming Firefox as it comes with the distro. I do admit, I've come onboard with Gnome MPV in lieu of VLC. The Solus team has really put a cohesive suite together.
jppelt I use FIrefox on a daily basis because I'm a heavy user of Multi-Account Containers, but I'd go Vivaldi.
WetGeek No more than having a phone with a camera on it in the US. Somebody's always watching. Really, if you are on the internet in anyway, you have to understand you're sacrificing some of your privacy and data for utility or convince. Other than being Chinese, they haven't had anything that raises giant security red flags that I know of.
The same could question could be asked to users of Deepin Linux, Huawei, Oppo, OnePlus (owned by Oppo/BBK) or any other number of things from China. What makes one Chinese brand or company more trust-worthy than another if neither have giant red flags?
Any thoughts on Waterfox? Has anyone ever tried it? I just downloaded Vivaldi and will give it another go. Seems heavy - too many options. I might be going down the rabbit hole but admit the notes feature kinda appeals to me - not that I've ever needed such an option in the past. We shall see. I'll try to use it exclusively for a week and see where it leads. Thanks @JoshStrobl
Brucehankins I tried the newest version of Opera and didn't like it so uninstalled it.
jppelt I was curious about Waterfox too, although when I was looking into it late last year
it was about the time that it was sold to a corporation and there was all sorts of speculation and
suspicion that ensued so I stayed away from it. I really don't know the details of what happened and
I obviously wasn't interested in pursuing it but something maybe worth investigating before you decide.
Brucehankins No more than having a phone with a camera on it in the US. Somebody's always watching. Really, if you are on the internet in anyway, you have to understand you're sacrificing some of your privacy and data for utility or convince. Other than being Chinese, they haven't had anything that raises giant security red flags that I know of.
Brucehankins Nothing, we only have a choice to pick who can spy on us. Chinese or USA? Decision is up to you.
RobertK that's the beauty of choice. This thread got me thinking, am I missing out on something? I downloaded Brave and Vivaldi to give those a go.
I've been an ardent Firefox user for many years. No complaints. Since last week, I've been trying out Brave upon my wife's recommendation. Not bad, seems to use less memory. I do prefer FF layout though. Will see how it goes .... 
jppelt Waterfox seemed to be ok was trying it out on deb install got where it wouldnt install (waterfox Problem) so i deleted it..lol then that system crashed. Then crashed my solus install on updates. But back to your question I think it was alright and it was being actively updated havent tried it for awhile not sure how its matured just looked at website seems still active I had no real problems they have an appimage https://appimage.github.io/Waterfox_Current/
