DataDrake I just stuck to the original topic, the roadmap. Therefore I said in the very same post as well:
"Good to see the development is not staling". I am sorry for any misunderstandings. Please be so kind to read my posts completely as I am still not a native speaker and I might need more words to provide enough context.

c432 Roadmap is just a list of good wishes I'm afraid.

This what I was referring to and this could very well be a temporary phase due to your real life constraints, so also not speaking of the devil here.

    majamee If you had quoted specifically what you were agreeing with, originally, that would have saved you a lot of frustration. We are all reasonable people here and contrary to what you might think, I was calm and collected for all of my responses. I apologize for the misunderstanding, but hope you can see where we were coming from and why we might be upset by @c432's overall remark. Especially given they made an account today just to come here and say that.

    @DataDrake I understand that, but I really don't get why you and others all the time felt the need to correct me, without me arguing you would be in maintenance mode. In fact, I tried to clarify here multiple times, just have a look especially at all the "PS:" parts of my posts, but I felt not even noticed. Nevertheless, if someone goes the extra mile like @c432 did just to answer here to my post maybe then it is at least worth considering, that there might be some truth to what I stated here:

    majamee I started the thread because to silent followers of your project it does matter how often you inform. Any project looses a lot of its transparency and trust IMHO if
    the roadmap is outdated and noone seems to care to update it from time to time
    the blog is not actively maintained since months
    the ongoing development plans/ work isn't announced to the whole user base

    So I would be happy, if there could be finally some constructive discussion about the actual topic without any finger-pointing 😉

    So what about an update to the roadmap which really removes the dates, but instead would use version numbers and link to the still open tasks for each of the planned projects?

      majamee I did not get the impression from your follow-up posts that you were clarifying for the opposite interpretation. I suspect the others had the same difficulty.

      @c432 did not go the "extra mile". They came here to make a remark that they knew full well was inflammatory because of our previous responses here and other places. One that was rightfully treated as an insult as already discussed in our previous responses to you.

      Now, if it's constructive discussion you want about the roadmap, I have already made our stance perfectly clear. Until such a time as the content of the roadmap (beyond the calendar months that I regret advocating for) actually changes, we will not be publishing an updated roadmap.

      The Roadmap is not a description of goals for specific versions of Solus either. It's nothing more than a long-form TODO list to inform the Solus Community what we have planned for the near future. And once we get 4.1 out of the door, I think we will probably stop assigning new tasks as specific goals for each release. That way we can refresh the ISO more often, without getting blocked by larger ongoing efforts.

      YAWNS 😴

      This kind of sterile discussions isn't just tiring but on the long run they are just toxic (this is just one of them but along the years there are many) and it's always the same people who have to handle these guys who criticize usually in a non-constructive or in a biased way because they only take some elements out of the global context, then they post links to demonstrate they are right, then quote themselves to show they are kind person and finally pretend to be the victim.

      The time @DataDrake spent reading and answering this discussion (and the other similar ones) is time he could have spent working on Solus or on his PhD (and the soonest he finishes it, to soonest he will have more free time and thus time for Solus) or simply to rest and relax because believe it or not, he's a human just like you.
      Same for the blog posts, perhaps it would make you happy to have a blog post saying we have updated MATE to 1.22, we have updated Plasma to version x.y.z, etc... but seeing Solus is a small team it would just be wasting time on details while it could be used on more important things... Don't you see the updates in the Software center ???
      The ones who complain about the frequency of blog posts are also the ones that complain about things not moving fast enough... As if posting more on the blog would speed up things...

        kyrios As much as I too would like to see updates posted on blogs and roadmaps, I agree with you, I'd rather see real progress in the distro than social media updates. Shame there isn't someone that speaks enough technical lingo but might not be able to do development, to participate and able to update social as their contribution. Wouldn't that appease us all in a good way? I'm not saying we need this, but it would be a good thing, right?
        I mean the most important thing I remember from teamwork/business/etc is communication.

          dbarron I mean the most important thing I remember from teamwork/business/etc is communication.

          IF things get done, otherwise it's fairly useless to say non stop "we are where we were 10 minutes/hours/days/centuries ago".
          Announce what you've done (if it's relevant and useful) when you've done it: if you stay quiet it's because nothing happened.

            EbonJaeger
            And what major changes Budgie 10.5 brought to the table if we exclude updating it to the latest Gnome stack and some cosmetic changes?

            Harvey
            Name one big feature that Solus got after Ikey left.

            DataDrake
            I know they are not deadlines but they are not supposed to be a list of good wishes without any obligations to follow them either. I appreciate your work guys, I know you're doing it in your free time pro bono but it's obvious that development stalled without Ikey, there's nothing wrong with that, he left a big shoes to fill in.

              c432 It looks like you know what "big feature" means: Please, enlighten us and define what "big feature" is. Meanwhile, I recommend you check the Budgie part on https://getsol.us/2019/03/17/solus-4-released/
              If you don't see ANY NEW relevant features there, then you are simply biased against the project.
              You could check the dev tracker too, but it's been said and pointed out too many times in this thread (tip: look up there).
              On a side note, I like how people spend their time making new accounts just for the sakes of toxicity. It's jokingly funny.

                EQLucky Big feature for me would be something on the scale of Ikey's Intel patches.

                c432 And what major changes Budgie 10.5 brought to the table if we exclude updating it to the latest Gnome stack and some cosmetic changes?

                Those "cosmetic changes" were huge quality of life improvements for Budgie. And Josh and I have made it abundantly clear that no major changes to Budgie will happen until Budgie 11 and that we aren't working on it this year. This is also a pointless argument. Ikey himself hadn't put out a release for over a year. 10.4 came out in August, 2017.

                c432 Name one big feature that Solus got after Ikey left.

                1. These new forums.
                2. Huge internal improvements to Solus' long-term "bus factor".
                3. An entirely new infrastructure which receives more frequent updates and costs significantly less to operate.
                4. Several new Global Maintainers who work on huge portions of Solus packages.

                But of course you are looking for some new feature in the OS, which we are working on, just not as quickly as you'd like apparently.

                c432 I know they are not deadlines but they are not supposed to be a list of good wishes without any obligations to follow them either. I appreciate your work guys, I know you're doing it in your free time pro bono but it's obvious that development stalled without Ikey, there's nothing wrong with that, he left a big shoes to fill in.

                Who said we aren't still going to finish all the things we set out to do? Many of those things we never expected to have completely finished this year. Others we are actively working on, just at a slower pace than we expected. We still intend on finishing everything on that roadmap and I don't appreciate your insinuation that we aren't going to.

                And I've already addressed your belief that "development has stalled". We seem to have wildly different definitions of what development is and I kindly ask you to stop with this nonsense. A ton of work goes into Solus every day and making claims like this is an insult to everyone who contributes.

                Putting the Over Dramatic tag on this and monitoring it from here on out. This is getting ridiculous.

                dbarron CorvusRuber See... c432 clearly demonstrated that even with a few blog posts focusing on the main news is already very hard to follow for some...

                c432 And what major changes Budgie 10.5 brought to the table if we exclude updating it to the latest Gnome stack and some cosmetic changes?

                Everything is detailed in this blog post
                And this other blog post clearly says there won't be any major change in Budgie 10.5 (as big things will be implemented on Budgie 11)

                c432 Name one big feature that Solus got after Ikey left.

                Solus 4 ... huh... wait... oh there is a blog post about this too...
                (in the less fancy things, the infrastructure move from OVH to the RIT servers, the new weblate instance, these forums with the 0auth integration, the work on ferryd, cuppa, the upgrade of phabricator, etc... of course these aren't "bling bling" shiny visible things, but just try to run the distribution without this and you'll see it would not work so well... without the servers & ferryd, you wouldn't get any update and without these forums, you won't be able to complain here, ...)

                  kyrios dbarron CorvusRuber See... c432 clearly demonstrated that even with a few blog posts focusing on the main news is already very hard to follow for some...

                  Put on a bot posting at random intervals on the blog/forum/Reddit/whatever some variation on the theme "All is well, we're working hard, wohooo !!!" 😅 ?

                    02.11.2018
                    Ikey Doherty, the founder and lead dev of Solus, has left the project...

                    07.09.2019
                    Justin: due to personal issues between myself and the team, I will be moving on from Solus...

                    17.09.2019
                    sunnyflunk: Stepping down from Core Team

                    17.09.2019
                    c432: After Ikey's departure Solus is in the maintenance mode. Roadmap is just a list of good wishes I'm afraid.

                    ==============

                    2018
                    crom5: Please don't get me wrong, the following thoughts are expressed with best wishes and intentions. It is my understanding that Solus is an "independent" distribution. The bad news is that in this "strange" times it is forbidden to survive as such. Recent Ikey important life decisions were just so predictable. Similarly, it is very easy to guess what will happen with Solus within a relatively short period of time if the developers doesn't start to earn something from their hard work and efforts...

                    ==============

                    08.09.2019
                    Manjaro is taking things professionally. While the Manjaro community will be responsible for the development of the project and other related activities, a company has been formed to work as its legal entity and handle the commercial agreements and professional services.

                      CorvusRuber (humor) But wouldn't this fictitious bot need to ping "all" and make sure "all" were still well before posting? I mean maybe a dev died or lost internet access, same thing really, right? (yes, still joking)

                        dbarron But wouldn't this fictitious bot need to ping "all" and make sure "all" were still well before posting?

                        No, why, should it ? Total randomness, just for the lulz.

                        crom5 Your "chronicle" is clearly focused on the bad news, as it misses the entries about introductions of new global maintainers (Girt and ermo). Not to mention big infrastructure improvements, but... they were mentioned in this thread multiple times already, and it seems that no one cares about them 🙂
                        And how Manjaro is relevant here?