Long term support for Solus
You have to look forward and not always in the rearview mirror. Yesterday is over. There is no need to dwell on it anymore.
The course for the future has been set. We have learned from our mistakes. And things are going in the right direction.
I continue to look forward with confidence.
The (current) team is doing a wonderful job.
I am very happy with what I have with Solus. Thank you
brent there is simply no maliciousness here. Do I think Ikey is an evil person? No! Course not. But looking at the facts, there is a pattern of leaving a project abruptly without notice. That's a genuine concern. It's important to not defend something based on our perceived love of a project but to look at the facts. Not bash the people asking these questions.
BitTim8 when people donate their time (and money) there is an implied responsibility to follow through on thing
Funnily enough the people who have donated most time to Solus have made their peace with the situation, while it's always the ones who have invested next to no effort and time who seem very concerned.
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And what next? What exactly do you want to say now? Specifically.
I don't understand what you're getting at
The people working on the project are donating their time and in some cases their money as well, so no, your argument is not valid.
Harvey your saying because the people working on the project are also donating time and money that responsibility can just be shirked? I'm sorry, that's a really irresponsible thing to say. My point is completely valid. This is what led to the outage happening a year ago and Solus almost going under.
Can people just disappear? Absolutely, it's their choice. Is it a responsible one or an ethical one when money is being donated by people who aren't developing the project? Absolutely not!
AlphaElwedritsch if you don't understand what I'm getting at, you clearly didn't read my concerns. My concern is that long term, Solus will go through another outage. That's what I'm getting at. Or potentially go under completely.
Question: Do you use Solus as your operating system right now ?
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alfisya I do! I dual boot with windows. Came from opensuse tumbleweed. My question here was never intended to be antagonistic in nature. I'm genuinely concerned long term about what will happen to this project. You answered in a simple concise way that was not bashing the person asking the question. Thank you for that
I intend to move solely over to Solus, but only once 5 is finished
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BitTim8 I don't understand your comment. What exactly is this the point of this comment?
It's really not that hard to understand, is it? You said:
I agree with you on most of this but regarding that first part, when people donate their time (and money) there is an implied responsibility to follow through on things and not disappear without reason. Especially when others are giving their money to further a project.
Yet the people who are donating the most time and money don't seem to feel that way, and are in fact happy that there is once again collaboration with Ikey and other former contributors. On the other hand, it always seems to be outsiders and newcomers, who haven't donated money or time (or very little of it), who accuse people like Ikey of being irresponsible or whatever.
I also disagree that donating money creates a responsibility. It's a donation, not a salary or contract payment. Not to mention that the current donation amounts to Solus would be way too low for a proper salary anyway.
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Staudey So what is your point in all of this? If I'm going to monetarily support Solus. Then I'd simply like to know that I can use it as a daily driver and not worry that a year or two from now, it's going to completely shut down again.
Clearly we disagree on the subject of responsibility. That's okay. You have your opinion and I have mine. But I won't support a project if it's just going to die out. That's a headache I'm not willing to deal with. I'm not portraying Ikey as some evil person. There is a pattern of behavior though and that's a genuine concern. If you don't agree with me, that's okay
Half the arguments here could have been avoided by simply saying " hey, this project isn't going anywhere, here's why" but instead we have this
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- We have procedures in place to onboard and offboard maintainers and administrators.
- In fact, we offboarded a now former project administrator this past week at their request, with absolutely no drama (they are still around in the staff chat).
- We have redundancy of >= 3 people (typically 5) for all organisation critical tasks and roles.
- Our tooling works.
- Our infrastructure, processes and documentation are all better than they have ever been.
- We are cash flow positive each month and have a healthy balance.
- Our roadmap for the remaining tooling upgrades is well understood and we're continuously delivering on it.
- As it happens, as of this writing, we have a set of PRs in testing that touches the entire build pipeline on the client side of the equation.
- If push comes to shove and the Serpent tooling is significantly delayed, Solus will have no problem continuing to run indefinitely on its current foundation.
As the Serpent tooling comes online (something I and several others in Solus are helping drive forward), Solus will switch to it when it has hit all its own milestones for being able to do so.
In summary, your concerns are -- from a Solus organisational perspective at least -- entirely unfounded, as we have everything well in hand, as outlined above.
Now, was there anything else?