The people working on the project are donating their time and in some cases their money as well, so no, your argument is not valid.

    Harvey your saying because the people working on the project are also donating time and money that responsibility can just be shirked? I'm sorry, that's a really irresponsible thing to say. My point is completely valid. This is what led to the outage happening a year ago and Solus almost going under.
    Can people just disappear? Absolutely, it's their choice. Is it a responsible one or an ethical one when money is being donated by people who aren't developing the project? Absolutely not!

        Staudey I don't understand your comment. What exactly is this the point of this comment? Personally this is the kind of comment I just ignore. Good day

            AlphaElwedritsch if you don't understand what I'm getting at, you clearly didn't read my concerns. My concern is that long term, Solus will go through another outage. That's what I'm getting at. Or potentially go under completely.

            • ermo replied to this.

                BitTim8
                People do not have to work on something for the rest of their life because someone donated money to the project they created. People leave all the time and projects continue on. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and I am done with you.

                    Harvey lol. Okay. You live in your rent free world. Done with you as well. You clearly don't listen to the concerns of others and just shut people down immediately

                      Question: Do you use Solus as your operating system right now ?

                        alfisya I do! I dual boot with windows. Came from opensuse tumbleweed. My question here was never intended to be antagonistic in nature. I'm genuinely concerned long term about what will happen to this project. You answered in a simple concise way that was not bashing the person asking the question. Thank you for that

                        I intend to move solely over to Solus, but only once 5 is finished

                            BitTim8 I don't understand your comment. What exactly is this the point of this comment?

                            It's really not that hard to understand, is it? You said:

                            I agree with you on most of this but regarding that first part, when people donate their time (and money) there is an implied responsibility to follow through on things and not disappear without reason. Especially when others are giving their money to further a project.

                            Yet the people who are donating the most time and money don't seem to feel that way, and are in fact happy that there is once again collaboration with Ikey and other former contributors. On the other hand, it always seems to be outsiders and newcomers, who haven't donated money or time (or very little of it), who accuse people like Ikey of being irresponsible or whatever.

                            I also disagree that donating money creates a responsibility. It's a donation, not a salary or contract payment. Not to mention that the current donation amounts to Solus would be way too low for a proper salary anyway.

                                Staudey So what is your point in all of this? If I'm going to monetarily support Solus. Then I'd simply like to know that I can use it as a daily driver and not worry that a year or two from now, it's going to completely shut down again.

                                Clearly we disagree on the subject of responsibility. That's okay. You have your opinion and I have mine. But I won't support a project if it's just going to die out. That's a headache I'm not willing to deal with. I'm not portraying Ikey as some evil person. There is a pattern of behavior though and that's a genuine concern. If you don't agree with me, that's okay

                                Half the arguments here could have been avoided by simply saying " hey, this project isn't going anywhere, here's why" but instead we have this

                                    BitTim8 So what is your point in all of this?

                                    I'm not going to repeat my point a third time. But this is getting somewhat off-topic anyway.

                                    Harvey already answered the initial question, so this thread is resolved, I think? Or is there anything else?

                                      BitTim8

                                      • We have procedures in place to onboard and offboard maintainers and administrators.
                                        • In fact, we offboarded a now former project administrator this past week at their request, with absolutely no drama (they are still around in the staff chat).
                                      • We have redundancy of >= 3 people (typically 5) for all organisation critical tasks and roles.
                                      • Our tooling works.
                                      • Our infrastructure, processes and documentation are all better than they have ever been.
                                      • We are cash flow positive each month and have a healthy balance.
                                      • Our roadmap for the remaining tooling upgrades is well understood and we're continuously delivering on it.
                                        • As it happens, as of this writing, we have a set of PRs in testing that touches the entire build pipeline on the client side of the equation.
                                      • If push comes to shove and the Serpent tooling is significantly delayed, Solus will have no problem continuing to run indefinitely on its current foundation.

                                      As the Serpent tooling comes online (something I and several others in Solus are helping drive forward), Solus will switch to it when it has hit all its own milestones for being able to do so.

                                      In summary, your concerns are -- from a Solus organisational perspective at least -- entirely unfounded, as we have everything well in hand, as outlined above.

                                      Now, was there anything else?

                                          ermo thank you for your response. Based on past history, while I don't think it's unfounded concerns, you have indeed answered the question. Thank you

                                            I have seen the before and after the direction Solus is going is the right one.
                                            Also some of the things they do at the gracious of there heart and I welcome those things
                                            So After this has concluded I think the thread and or the others Locked as it brings up
                                            worry that is not needed. (Just my opinion)
                                            I have come to the point that I feel like I can rely on linux for an operating system and it was due
                                            to Solus and how they handled themselves through the previous crises and Have only seen it get better
                                            (I have no worries)
                                            Note: I have not turned on a windows machine in a year (new record for me)

                                              Axios I think so too. Again, this question was not intended to be antagonistic. But I think my questions are valid at least. They were answered though, and there certainly isn't a need for anyone else to come in and scrutinize.

                                                  BitTim8 They answered that part should tell you something about the people running the show
                                                  the longer one hangs around one will understand.

                                                    BitTim8 My question here was never intended to be antagonistic in nature.

                                                    Then one wonders why you go on, and on, and on, when your question has been asked and answered.