Sync Updates for Week 30, 2023

Fanmion Please check the first post here. Feedback and issues on the sync should go in the sync post in the future.

Sebastian Were you already using GNOME on Wayland before? Because after this update it might be the default selection (check on gdm screen whether "GNOME" or "GNOME on Xorg" is selected). At least the first issue with the X cursor, and perhaps the yad issue (because I see a lot of issue reports in that regard online), could be related to running under Wayland.

Staudey Ha, that is interesting, because the yad issue as well as the X cursor issue occur only under Xorg. Yad is working fine under wayland.
The loading process of the Gnome Sessions does look completely different depending of whether I choose Wayland or Xorg.
If I choose Wayland, the screen turns grey (same grey tone as the GDM background color), the mouse cursor for a second looks like it looks if I move the cursor in this text editing field in the forum (resembles roman one) befor it returns to normal and Gnome session starts. Looks all quite smooth.
If I choose Xorg, screen turns completely black, flickers, cursor turns in this bold X for some time and Gnome session starts with cursor returning to normal.

Well, I was using Wayland before. Installed the gnome-session-shell-experimental package some time ago. But if I remember correctly you wasn't able to start a Gnome Wayland session until 2 weeks ago or so.
And it quite surprised me to see that Gnome Wayland is now the default since friday I think.
Because I experimented with Gnome Wayland in the last 2 weeks, and in my opinion its just not ready.
Sometimes icons flicker, sometimes the loading animation at the mouse cursor flickers, sometimes there are icons missing.
Above all, it's just not a smooth transition from xorg to wayland. Some functionality is missing, you cannot restart gnome shell with alt+F2, r, enter by design of wayland. Won't change either. No real substitute for xdotool which I use in some scripts. No real substitute for dmenu. Rofi, what we have in our repo also not properly working under wayland. pass password manager not working under wayland since lack of wl-clipboard in repo. Just requested that package. And so on. It feels like I was driving a Jaguar and now I am in a horse carriage.
I know xorg is dead and wayland is the future, but for me it's a total regression. Thats why I have decided to stick with xorg as long as possible.
So, are you planing to deprecate xorg any time soon, or can I just stick with it for a while?

I must say, I am feeling a certain sense of anxiety and trepidation as well about the impending/happening 'dive' into the wayland world by the Solus team. Just do not feel it is well cooked at this time, that's all.

Sebastian I don't think anyone is planning on getting rid of Xorg anytime soon, especially as Budgie still relies on it (and MATE for that matter, while the replacement xfce isn't generally available yet). On the other hand it seems the GNOME project tends to only really test things on Wayland these days, and most of their devs don't use Xorg anymore from what I regularly read on their gitlab repositories, so I'd expect to see more and more Xorg-only issues on that particular desktop.

ReillyBrogan It fixes mine too, thanks!

Staudey

WhiteWolf I don't understand what you're trying to say

Hi all
and thanks the team for the efford... the update was huge.

I applied the update yesterday, but this morning there was another smaller update (both times I rebooted the system).
Right after the today's update I had a black screen said that system is in emergency mode :

Pressing Ctrl-D shows Starting default.targer and continues to the login screen !

• I run the commands described in issue Severe lagginess loading applications in GNOME above and rebooted, but these seem irrelevant. (but after that gnome extensions are back yeee ! )
• Also checked issue Swap and other partitions aren't mounting on login, in my setup UUID's are already in use. I provide fstab contents here for anyone to check...

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# <fs>      <mountpoint> <type> <opts>      <dump/pass>

# /dev/ROOT   /            ext3    noatime        0 1
# /dev/SWAP   none         swap    sw             0 0
# /dev/fd0    /mnt/floppy  auto    noauto         0 0
none        /proc        proc    nosuid,noexec  0 0
none        /dev/shm     tmpfs   defaults	0 0
UUID=a6dbc22c-4594-4482-88ee-9eaa9d58fbe7   swap    swap    sw  0   0
# /dev/sda3 at time of installation
UUID=7c01f72a-aa98-423a-9e46-9072e9bed746   /home   ext4    rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro   0   2
# /dev/sda2 at time of installation
UUID=cbe8d7f9-19c3-4123-9d8c-f61fda5b93f0   /   ext4    rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro   0   1

# GB1000EAMYC - 1TB (windows 7)
/dev/disk/by-uuid/5EB0ABBBB0AB9853 /mnt/win7-disk auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show,x-gvfs-name=win7-disk 0 0

# WD30EZRZ-00GXCB0 - 3TB (didebackup)
/dev/disk/by-uuid/5AAD8CC805012671 /mnt/didebackup auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show,x-gvfs-name=didebackup 0 0

any suggestions ?

Many of my apps can't access my files anymore (Download files in librewolf, add exe to Lutris).

after sync I get this error at boot:

[!!!!!!] Failed to start up manager.
[11.179840] systemd[1]: Freezing execution.

Most of the times restarting solves the problem and I can login succesfully, but today it needed 5 tries.

Fanmion Did you perform the steps under "Severe lagginess loading applications in GNOME" in the known issues in the top thread?

I updated all my computers this morning (Budgie, Plasma), all went smooth.

Thank you very much to the team !

Fanmion Do you mean the file picker?