Hi,

I had no actual problem with the sync update but the microsync caused a few quite annoying ones.
DE: Gnome, first fresh install from two weeks ago.

  • Small annoyance since the sync (not tested with Xorg): occasional few second mouse freeze, no more automatic switching between onboard soundcard to the USB one when plugged. I have to use pavucontrol.

  • Bigger annoyance since microsync (both Wayland and Xorg sessions): Every gnome app I tried to which the dark theme applies (Files, calculator, etc), plus firefox and libreoffice, flatpaks... load with an additional 20-25s delay whereas the few Qt and Tcl/tk behave as before the micro-sync.
    Dark theme does not apply to some apps anymore and the Gnome ones in that case start without delay (Gedit, Gparted, tweak tool).

I'd be happy to just revert to before the microsync. I hopped on Solus for the rolling release model at my own risks and am very grateful for the dev team hard work.

Also, switching between dark and light themes freeze the mouse for a good 5s and it doesn't make the slow apps load any faster.

Sebastian I figured out that yad runs perfectly normal in a Gnome Wayland session. What I have described earlier only occurs in a (Gnome) xorg session.

    Everyone who is having issues with lag in GNOME can do the following to resolve it:

    sudo eopkg it dbus-broker
sudo systemctl --system enable dbus-broker
sudo systemctl --global enable dbus-broker

    And then reboot your system. Do not attempt to start dbus-broker manually, a full reboot is required to activate it correctly.

    We're still thinking through whether we want to revert the fix that caused the lagginess in the first place or just wait until the next sync (we were going to enable dbus-broker by default anyway).

      @EbonJaeger : I have some questions about the development status of Xfce at this time. As you may remember, I easily created a Solus Xfce VM a while ago, and it went very well. Well enough for me to use it for three straight days as a daily-driver replacement for my laptop (a.k.a. it's host).

      I've kept that VM updated, and would be happy to wake it up from hibernation whenever I have time, and use various utilities and applications that I haven't already used, in order to find any issues that may need to be looked at. But I don't want to overstep, or rush the team into anything that they aren't ready for yet.

      How interested is the team in forum members' installing Xfce now and using it? Many of us are GNOME Boxes or VirtualBox users, and could easily create an Xfce VM. Are you welcoming this idea or discouraging it for now? If more of us do use it, and find issues that need addressing, should we just file bugs on the Dev Tracker in the normal way, or is it too early to start doing that?

      And finally, on a more personal note, has any attention been given to the problem of Wayland locking up when a VM is taken to full-screen? Although I much prefer to use Wayland full time, that limits my VMs to a partial screen. So when I plan to use VMs for more than, say, installing an update, I need to boot into an X11 session. Just wondering whether this issue is getting any attention, either here or upstream.

      • ermo replied to this.

        I have added a list of known issues, solutions, and workarounds to the first post. Please check that to see if your issue already has a fix before posting it again.

        ReillyBrogan

        Solus Gnome

        Thanks

        I had a ~ 30 second delay launching Firefox, ~ 60 seconds on Libreoffice + Clocks flatpak and Mullvad app delays and I couldn't see email content in Evolution and this solved all these problems.

          WetGeek How interested is the team in forum members' installing Xfce now and using it?

          Thanks for the offer.

          My €0.02 is that it's better to wait until we publish an ISO to the Crew tier on OC, which will happen soon enough.

              ermo it's better to wait until we publish an ISO to the Crew tier on OC

              Gotcha. That will also save a step in creating a VM. No need to install one DE, add the Xfce DE, then remove the original one.

                Here is Solus 4.4 with Gnome.
                After recent update last Saturday I have to click in Gnome Desktop
                an application always two times ?! Then it starts - but slowly ?
                Seems that Gnome before update ran better, or I have to update Gnome
                yet again ?!
                What is this ? (Two times click ?! Somewhere else a second DirtyAngel ?!)

                Merged 110 posts from Sync Updates for Week 30, 2023.
                ReillyBrogan changed the title to Sync Updates for Week 30, 2023 .

                Whoops, accidentally merged the sync updates thread into this instead of the other way around.

                Anyway @DirtyAngel your solution is in the top post in this topic, now that we have update posts for each sync you should keep your feedback and issues to the sync thread instead of opening a new one.

                  Hello there,

                  after the big update on sunday, my pc behaves very strange: apps start very slow (librewolf, nautilus, Steam, Thunderbird(both native and flatpaks) etc ...). Can you help me?

                  Greeting
                  Fanmion

                    Merged 1 post from Strange behavior after big update.

                    Fanmion Please check the first post here. Feedback and issues on the sync should go in the sync post in the future.

                      Sebastian Were you already using GNOME on Wayland before? Because after this update it might be the default selection (check on gdm screen whether "GNOME" or "GNOME on Xorg" is selected). At least the first issue with the X cursor, and perhaps the yad issue (because I see a lot of issue reports in that regard online), could be related to running under Wayland.

                          Staudey Ha, that is interesting, because the yad issue as well as the X cursor issue occur only under Xorg. Yad is working fine under wayland.
                          The loading process of the Gnome Sessions does look completely different depending of whether I choose Wayland or Xorg.
                          If I choose Wayland, the screen turns grey (same grey tone as the GDM background color), the mouse cursor for a second looks like it looks if I move the cursor in this text editing field in the forum (resembles roman one) befor it returns to normal and Gnome session starts. Looks all quite smooth.
                          If I choose Xorg, screen turns completely black, flickers, cursor turns in this bold X for some time and Gnome session starts with cursor returning to normal.

                          Well, I was using Wayland before. Installed the gnome-session-shell-experimental package some time ago. But if I remember correctly you wasn't able to start a Gnome Wayland session until 2 weeks ago or so.
                          And it quite surprised me to see that Gnome Wayland is now the default since friday I think.
                          Because I experimented with Gnome Wayland in the last 2 weeks, and in my opinion its just not ready.
                          Sometimes icons flicker, sometimes the loading animation at the mouse cursor flickers, sometimes there are icons missing.
                          Above all, it's just not a smooth transition from xorg to wayland. Some functionality is missing, you cannot restart gnome shell with alt+F2, r, enter by design of wayland. Won't change either. No real substitute for xdotool which I use in some scripts. No real substitute for dmenu. Rofi, what we have in our repo also not properly working under wayland. pass password manager not working under wayland since lack of wl-clipboard in repo. Just requested that package. And so on. It feels like I was driving a Jaguar and now I am in a horse carriage.
                          I know xorg is dead and wayland is the future, but for me it's a total regression. Thats why I have decided to stick with xorg as long as possible.
                          So, are you planing to deprecate xorg any time soon, or can I just stick with it for a while?