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Staudey Sorry that it wasn't clear enough. Look at it this way: Imagine interesting things being discussed (and they are!) on Matrix, on all three channels. One would need to sit at the screen 24 hours a day, in order not to miss anything, while the posts are scrolling up fast on all three channels, at the same time.
So, potentially valuable information gets lost every day, without most users being aware.
On the forum however, I can read, and re-read!, all posts at any time of the day, and benefit from them, and possibly even participate in them.
"All that glitters is not gold". Flashy new techs are not necessarily best, or "what ain't broken, do not fix!". 😅

And that is why I prefer awk and perl programming. 😛

    To me, Matrix is a glorified messaging platform or app, great for interpersonal communication. Two or three users may be able to communicate at any one time, except for scheduled meets.
    Say an important or useful topic is being discussed at 2:30pm. By the time I look at the thread at 2:35pm, it is all gone, without my knowledge even that it existed. Good bye, So long, Farewell.
    That is why forum should be at the top of the list, because it is for ALL users - FROM users and dev team.

    EbonJaeger To me, the usual repo sync wouldn't really qualify as one that needs a forum post

    I respectfully see it diffently. The forum is where Solus users gather to communicate with each other. It's the most logical place to contact us.

    Another issue is, how much work is it to send a message saying, "Today's sync has completed"? I think it's a very small favor to ask, and it would mean a lot to a lot of us.

        I do agree that if a sync delay is going to be announced the forums should be part of the announcement. Matrix will likely hear about it first, have more detail and up to the minute information as that is where we talk to each other to see if a delay is required in the first place.

        Rant incoming...

        People want every single bit of detail but do not want to go to where these discussions happen. When it was on IRC the complaint was that it is too complicted, an antiquated system with no chat persistence that just needs to die! Ok, IRC is deprecated we have switched to a modern open source alternative with chat persistence.... Yeah but i prefer carrier pigeon!

        No matter what you do, people will always expect more. We were even told we needed to write a blog post about why we did multiple syncs this week, the silence on the matter is not good! Let me get this straight, us working is not a good look?

        Matrix chat doesn't disappear you just scroll up, you can read months of activity if you wish (thats chat persistence) you do not need to be there 24/7. 99.99% of what is discussed there is only important to the people talking. There is not a massive amount of detail about future plans there. Some plans/ideas might be thrown around more loosely due to the nature of instant messaging. Ooo a team member mentioned the release name for Solus 4.4. Big whoop.

        Forum/Blog posts are for more concrete, important decisions.

        WetGeek Another issue is, how much work is it to send a message saying, "Today's sync has completed"? I think it's a very small favor to ask, and it would mean a lot to a lot of us.

        We don't always sync only once a week. An as I have said before, the system alerts you to pending updates being available. You don't need to manually check.

            Harvey Like I said, Matrix is great for interpersonal messaging and stuff. Do not consider it great for communicating news to ALL Solus users. For that, Forum is the right channel, imo.

                elfprince

                What information needed to be communicated exactly outside of what I already agreed with?

                    Harvey Do you expect the users to spend ages scrolling up the 3 matrix channels, in the hope, or fear, of missing out on something important? Or, instead just beeline to the appropriate forum heading? 😆

                        elfprince

                        No. You absolutely do not need to read all channels. Support is well support requests so unless you are helping or need help ignore it, off-topic is irrelevant, I ignore it 90% of the time. I maintain there was nothing of importance that needed to be announced otherwise I would have said so in my prior post.

                        If you have FOMO because someone might "leak" the 4.4 release name in a Solus matrix channel, not as an announcement but as part of a discussion for the best way they should address something... too bad. We are not posting every thought / discussion we have on the forums.

                        If it is important, yes forums or blog posts should be made and when it makes sense to do so.

                            Harvey If it is important, yes forums or blog posts should be made

                            Agreed on that. 👍️

                              Harvey If it is important, yes forums or blog posts should be made and when it makes sense to do so.

                              I think many of us (or not) think weekly sync belongs here. I made my own list above about moss/immutable progress, and future plans/roadmaps belonging at Forums.
                              I don't think anyone is advocating for the exhausting minutia of tidbits of 3 channels of endless chatter, as interesting as it could be.
                              If you really want explicit details I'd personally say syncs and recent announcements belong here. The trend is the channels get that news first and doesn't always migrate here to Forums.

                                EbonJaeger After thinking about it some that was a pretty broad statement on my part.
                                I read the announcements my opinion half those are not needed posts content wise.

                                Harvey put it about right on what I was trying to convey about that.
                                (Forum/Blog posts are for more concrete, important decisions.)

                                TraceyC Put it about right
                                We've been focusing most of our attention on getting the 4.4 ISO out the door. There needs to be a balance between enough outlets to let the Solus community get news in a way they prefer, without it being too much for our small team to keep up with. (This is most important in my book at the moment)

                                This is not meant at any disrespect for any you people its just an observation.
                                There seems to be a disconnect with the forum and thats what users are trying to voice and thats something
                                to be aware of.
                                I dont have an answer to as of why or what is needed.
                                (Kinda in response to harvey's Rant post totally understand it been there done it thing)

                                But I am glad this forum can talk about these things and not have a bunch of hurt feelings,and try to better things.

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                                  Axios

                                  Its a hard balance to work out but I think major announcements should always be posted in forum
                                  no matter what.

                                  I think they should be posted in the blog. It seems people gauge the distro's activity a lot based on that.

                                    Further on this subject.
                                    I believe that the Support channel should remain exclusively on Forum. Why? So all users can benefit and refer to it over time, using the handy search function. Matrix does not provide that.
                                    A potential time delay (Matrix vs Forum) is not significant, since none us (with few exceptions) are glued to our screens anyway.

                                    Off-Topic is ok on both Matrix and Forum, although again, more users would be involved if it too was kept on Forum only.

                                    Development is for developers, so it is up to them if they want to stay on Matrix.

                                      For me, low participating forum user, mainly lurker, I have no interest into the day to day nitty gritty that could be found on Matrix.
                                      I personally do not think weekly syncs deserve a forum post, except special circumstances. That would be overkill and a waste of dev energy imo.
                                      But I would appreciate a monthly state post. The crisis from the beginning of the year has left a bit of a trauma I would say. Even there is no particular milestone or statements to annonce just yet. Basically just to a canary post saying guys we're working. It might sounds stupid and insulting for the team, but from an outside perspective, someone who engages only on the forum/reddit level in the aforementionned list, it is not obvious. I know you don't do deadlines, that fine and fair. I would enjoy a 'guys we're excited and working' to be engaged if that makes sense.

                                        786psi I personally do not think weekly syncs deserve a forum post, except special circumstances. That would be overkill and a waste of dev energy imo.

                                        Agree on that. Only delayed, problematic or canceled syncs please. 😄

                                            elfprince Agree on that. Only delayed, problematic or canceled syncs please

                                            I don't necessarily agree that a simple post on the forum is a waste of developers' time and energy, because a simple notice takes only a few seconds, using a computer that they're probably already sitting at. A simple "Update is ready now" would make it unnecessary for us to keep checking frequently for an update we're expecting. It could also be a shortcut that takes a single keypress for the person who released the sync to send, and that would cover most situations.

                                            In the case where more information is available, a link could point to another location where that extra information already exists. Something like: Update information where those words are a link to the location. We use a browser to access the forum, and flarum makes inserting links very easy.

                                                WetGeek While I'm not against your idea, I have a feeling that the devs are conserving their output energy. If it was forum only, it would be an easy thing indeed. However, between matrix, twitter and reddit, simply too much time is spent. That is why I was suggesting that they keep only the dev channel on matrix, perhaps even the off-topic, because they like being on it, but otherwise focus on posting news and support items to forum mainly.
                                                Split and scattered we are weak; united we are strong. 😊

                                                    elfprince I have a feeling that the devs are conserving their output energy

                                                    That's something I think we should let "the devs" decide.

                                                      Ok so I am looking for a distro I go to their website check things out on the main page
                                                      read the blog and whatever else is there.
                                                      so I made it that far
                                                      Then I go looking for a forum if I find one its good if I dont its history
                                                      Usually I will skim through their forums to get a feeling for whats going on with there Os.
                                                      I do pay attention to the support one has it been active,how active,main issues,things in general
                                                      If all that strikes my likeing I will give it a test.

                                                      Dunno maybe i am different than most ppl but I think it helps me weed out the duds
                                                      and gives me alot of info before even downloading it.
                                                      Just way I do it.

                                                      Sitting here thinking just kinda wanted to ask this question?
                                                      How many ppl do you think truly came back to the forum % wise.

                                                      Oh did do an update that popped up earlier.

                                                        Axios I do pay attention to the support one has it been active,how active,main issues,things in general
                                                        If all that strikes my likeing I will give it a test.

                                                        Dunno maybe i am different than most ppl but I think it helps me weed out the duds
                                                        and gives me alot of info before even downloading it.

                                                        When the stickies at the top and FAQs are dated 2014 and the last reply to any post was a month ago, then the writing is on the wall you are absolutely correct. I've seen quite a few like that ^^.