tomscharbach I think for most all of them, the installation process is "relatively difficult".
Yeah, as I implied in my edit, Windows has a huge advantage given that it's pre-installed on nearly every personal computer that's sold. Linux will need to find a way to do the same, which would remove most of the challenges to installing it.
Google has managed to do it with Chromebooks.
WetGeek Google has managed to do it with Chromebooks.
Chrome OS is what Linux desktop for "ordinary home desktop users" should aspire to become. I don't own a Chromebook, but I looked at the school-supplied Chromebooks used by my grandchildren over the holidays. Everything is graphical, everything is crisp and well-designed, everything is simple and intuitive, nothing breaks, updates are automatic and invisible, and you don't have to understand a single thing about the plumbing underneath it all to use it productively.
tomscharbach Chrome OS is what Linux desktop for "ordinary home desktop users" should aspire to become.
Maybe Chrome OS could be a gateway drug for Linux? Lots of users might go no farther, but the curious ones might take the plunge and never look back. Like us.
WetGeek I think it's more of an extension of how you live in the browser. They just use Google products.
Brucehankins They just use Google products.
Yeah. I bought one for my wife, because I got tired of her going through expensive laptops, on which she simply played solitaire games. I figured she could do that on a Chromebook. And I'd read a few times in the forum that folks had installed Solus on one, so I figured the sky's the limit.
Turned out, I couldn't install Solus on that Chromebook. And the solitaire games available for it sucked rocks compared with the Linux versions she'd become accustomed to. And the kiss of death ... it wouldn't connect to our wi-fi, so Amazon got it back.
I've noticed that other Chromebooks sell for nearly a grand, so they must be much more capable, but for the cost of a cheap new Chromebook, I can buy her a nice refurbished DELL Latitude that will run Solus flat out. And all the games she's used to. So that's what she uses now.
WetGeek I've noticed that other Chromebooks sell for nearly a grand, so they must be much more capable
There is some really nice hardware out there from ASUS, Google, and HP. I could easily live with one of the high end options and be mostly happy since I also have a very capable desktop. As the only option, I wouldn't stay strictly with ChromeOS no matter how good the hardware was.
Brucehankins Seven years ago my niece (brother's kid) asked me to help her understand her new chromebook. I was petrified. No accessible filesystem. Not a single app. Just a browser. The whole system might have been 750MB was my impression. You used all apps (MS Office, etc) from the cloud and saved your life to the cloud. Conceptually I was revolted. This isn't computing. Hope things have changed
maybe she got a low-end one?
"Fedora"... "for Linux Noobs" - at which point they hit the brick wall known as SELinux and give up on Linux forever... 
ShintoPlasm I've been daily driving Fedora for a couple years now and SELinux hasn't been an issue even once.
ShintoPlasm they hit the brick wall known as SELinux and give up on Linux forever.
I have no idea what you mean by this. Fedora and some Fedora-based distros, like Ultramarine, are some of my favorites for non-Solus distros. They're fast, with very little bloat, and they don't limit me in the ways many others do. Fedora is one I could easily live with if Solus were to disappear suddenly.
brent Nope, it's all in the cloud. That's the entire idea. It's not a bad one, it's just not an ideal that everyone could live with. I prefer full control and access over my hardware and software. Newer Chromebooks can utilize Android apps and run something similar to WSL2.
For work or school, I could easily live in a web browser and do everything from the web.
brent You used all apps from the cloud and saved your life to the cloud. Conceptually I was revolted. This isn't computing.
It isn't traditional computing, in the sense that operating systems like Windows, macOS and Linux are designed around locally installed applications and locally stored data. Chrome OS is somewhat akin to what we used to call "thin client" computing, in the sense that a Chromebook is designed around remote (these days, cloud-based) installed applications and remotely stored data. To my mind, the two models reflect a differing philosophy on how to access applications, services and data.
Both computing models are probably adequate to meet most needs of an "ordinary home desktop user", in the sense that both models work well for web browsing, web-based shopping, banking and so on, social media, e-mail, messaging, streaming media, word processing/spreadsheets, video chat and remote collaboration, and basic photo and video editing.
I don't own or use a Chromebook, so my experience is limited, but I have a friend at the railroad who uses a modern Chromebook instead of a traditional laptop, and he gets along just fine with the "thin client" model. My husband uses something of a hybrid model using Windows 10, doing most of his work and storing his data online, and that seems to work well for him. My guess is that the "thin client" model would work for a high percentage of "ordinary home desktop users", and the fact that almost all kids are using school-supplied Chromebooks these days suggests to me that the consumer computing market is headed in the "thin client" direction.
But to each his own. I prefer the traditional computing model, and I would never, under any circumstances, lock myself into the Google ecosystem.
What impresses me about Chrome OS is that the UI layer is well-designed and intuitive, the kernel and OS layers are stable and trouble-free, updates are automatic and invisible, and users don't need to know anything about the plumbing to be productive or use ChromeOS long-term. Android, iOS, macOS and Windows 11 meet that "easy to use, hassle-free" standard as well. although imperfectly. I would like to see Linux desktop rise to that level, because that is what most consumers want and need.
tomscharbach Sounds like something closer to mobile phones.
[deleted] Sounds like something closer to mobile phones.
Yup, that's a good model to use for comparison, as well. My grandkids use their phones for just about everything except schoolwork and games. I suspect that's true of a lot of people. The way in which people use technology is changing fast.
tomscharbach The way in which people use technology is changing fast.
That it is. For a while, I was using an Android tablet with a keyboard case and stylus as my main "computer" when visiting outlying sites for work. It was much easier than taking my laptop around everywhere, and since everything was on OneDrive, I didn't miss a beat. It replaced my laptop, notebook, and allowed me to answer text messages easily also.
WetGeek And the kiss of death ... it wouldn't connect to our wi-fi, so Amazon got it back.
I'm surprised. Because Chrome OS depends on connectivity, Google goes to great lengths to make sure that Chromebooks can connect to just about any router and wifi standards current when the Chromebook was built. I wonder if your Chromebook had a hardware issue.
ShintoPlasm You further reinforce OP's point that there really isn't a Linux alternative to Windows for noobs. there's ALWAYS a compromise someone will balk at
Maybe the year of the Linux desktop will happen when we have the user interface, stability and updates of Chrome OS with local storage. Without being forced to login to Google, M$ etc.
Which leads me to - is all that open source? Could someone build it?
tomscharbach I wonder if your Chromebook had a hardware issue.
Probably. But as I mentioned, it was just the final straw. Convinced me that life was too short for a $199 Chromebook.
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