Bunsen Labs Beryllium - Conclusion

I really like this OpenBox window manager. Unlike with other non-Solus VMs I've created, my mouse is perfectly handled here. While I'm playing one of my solitaire games, if I do my part to keep the mouse from moving while I click it, there's no missing the tile or card I'm selecting. And the scroll wheel scrolls the way it should, so I don't need to look for vertical scroll bars everywhere. Yean, gotta love OpenBox.

The mouse isn't the only thing that works well here. Everything does. There's no jerkyness when moving a window across the screen, or when moving a card onto a pile when playing Spider solitaire. This is the distro that could most make me forget I'm using a VM instead of Solus on my laptop. Other than the bottom panel's looking very different from Solus Plasma's bottom panel, it would be hard to tell the diffeence based on the way they work.

Here you can see what I mean by the bottom panels' looking different. Otherwise the desktops pretty much look the same. This illustrates a technique I use often with VMs. The VM isn't at full-frame, obviously, but it's window is maximized. Thus, it fills the entire client area of its host's window. Doing this makes both OSs immediately available at the click of the mouse, and in particular it lets me use Spectacle on the host machine to take screenshots of the VM screen much more conveniently. I can use Gwenview to resize the screenshot on my Solus host and paste it into a post that I'm writing.

This technique is especialy good when I want to capture an open context menu, for example. If I started to take a screenshot using the VMs screen capture utility, the menu would close as soon as I click to take the screenshot. Even adding a delay after the click often doesn't work.

CONCLUSION
It would be hard to express how impressed I am with Bunsen Labs Beryllium. Its being presented by a window manager instead of a DE does make for some differences that are quite good, and others that I wouldn't be able to tolerate full-time.

An important advantage is the high-performance nature of OpenBox. Its operation is smooth and fast. And there's little difference between running an app on the VM and running it on the host. And as I mentioned, even the scroll wheel on my mouse works the same as it does on the host machine.

Becuase of my typical workflow, it's important for me to be able to access my NAS on the local network. My various shares -- e.g., Documents, Music, Pictures, Downloads, etc. -- hold the data used by all the computers that are connected to the network. Individual machines need only a small SSD to contain their OS and run applications. Beryllium needed no more than adding those shares to its /etc/fstab file, installing nfs-commmon, and changing to a better file manager. It provides full access to all those shares and their contents, without any of the hassles I routinely encounter with other non-Solus distros. Maybe the lack of a DE is it's key to this? Nothing to get in the way?

On the negative side, of course, is the problem I've already mentioned. My KDE Plasma DE is set to restore a previous session when I start a new one. It retains the 10 virtual desktops on my laptop, and restores the applications running in them -- all except for Vivaldi, for some reason. But Vivaldi restores all its open tabs on its own, so that just leaves me with one application to restart. Whether it's rebooted or restarted after being shut down, Beryllium simply provides its default of two empty desktops. That means I not only need to re-create the other six desktops I typically use, but I also need to re-start all the applications that occupied those desktops. Again, I attribute this behavior to the fact that OpenBox is a window manager, not a DE.

So, once again, another interesting distro that I'm exploring is no immediate threat to my beloved Solus Plasma. I am, however, interested in trying this OS on hardware. The DELL Latitude I ordered for my wife (and she doesn't need anymore) is now scheduled to arrive today. I'm pretty sure I'm going to start it out with Beryllium, at least until I need it to try out another distro. With the 1.0 TB SSD that it comes with, instead of the 32 GB SSD of one of my VMs, I can make a swap partition plenty big enough for it to hibernate quite well. Maybe the solution for a window manager instead of a DE is simply to restart it as seldom as possible?

    brent I went bare metal.

    I plan on doing that as well. As I mentioned in my conclusion, my wife no longer needs the DELL Latitude I ordered to replace hers, after it turned out that the only problem with hers was a dead power supply that I've since replaced. So that's now scheduled to arrive today, and I'm looking forward to starting it out with Beryllium.

    It's an exact duplicate of my daily-driver laptop, so that's as close as possible to evaluating how it would work in the role of replacing Solus if I should ever need to do that. And for at least a brief time, I expect it to be a real kick in the pants to use it on a daily basis.

    I don't really think I could get past the problem I mentioned, where I lose most of my virtual desktops and their contents when a reboot is needed, but for a brief few days trial, I just won't reboot it!

    By the way, if you press Super+Tab, you can see what it's like to have more than one desktop available to use. The default for Beryllium is two of them, and click on the Go there... link to change from one to the other. (Or just click on the image in the bottom panel.) After you see how convenient and productive it is to have a second desktop available to use, you might even want to try the Add new desktop link to add a third. And so on.

    And if you really like them in Beryllium, I'll be glad to show you how to create some in Budgie. It's super easy, and they don't go away when you reboot after a weekly update. If you have some and don't always need them, it's no worries. Just use Budgie's default desktop (#1) and ignore the others.

      WetGeek I plan on doing that as well. As I mentioned in my conclusion, my wife no longer needs the DELL Latitude I ordered to replace hers, after it turned out that the only problem with hers was a dead power supply that I've since replaced. So that's now scheduled to arrive today, and I'm looking forward to starting it out with Beryllium.

      Ventoy is now useful in your use case

        murbert Ventoy is now useful in your use case

        😊 Yep. And so is Etcher. I have a feeling I'll put off using Ventoy until I have more than just one .ISO file to keep track of.

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        dd is the way to go. adds a lot of thrill to the flashing process too.

        I was really looking forward to exploring ExTiX. I would be a two-fer for me, as I've never heard of ExTiX Linux, and never experienced Deepin, although I've heard of that. But after having the installer stop before it partitioned the virtual disk drive, with a message that ExTiX requires 64 GB, and 128 GB is recommended, I've already learned everything I need to know about it.

        WetGeek I think the one thing I would have issue with on Bunsen is the Bullseye base. It appears to be using "standard" Debian 11, not the testing or development branches. Did you notice if the packages where fresh or where they more of an LTS like the 5.10 kernel?
        Solus has really spoiled me with updates, it would be hard to use something that's not as leading edge anymore.

          Brucehankins Did you notice if the packages where fresh or where they more of an LTS like the 5.10 kernel?

          I didn't notice, but based on the kernel it uses, I suspect you're right. It might be possible to install a newer kernel after-the-fact, but I haven't looked into that. And I don't plan to keep Beryllium around long enough for it to make a difference.

          EndeavourOS Cassini - Observations

          This my next target for an exploration. I can't remember for sure whether I've evaluated EndeavourOS before, but if I have, it's been a very long time. I love their huge collections of DEs from which one can be selected during the installation process. I selected KDE Plasma, of course.

          The excellent installer utility also offered a number of community editions, of which OpenBox was just one example. Much as I usually avoid those, preferring official releases, that's one I just might need to try when I get done with this review. I was very impressed with OpenBox as it was implemented in Bunsen Labs Beryllium.

          This distro is Arch-based, so I'm expecting good things from it. My first impression is very positive. When I resized the VM window, the OS resized itself accordingly. And when I invoked the Host+F VirtualBox incantation, EndeavourOS leapt to full-screen with no hesitation.

          I have a feeling this one is going to be a lot of fun!

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            WetGeek And the best part - it doesn't modify TLP's default config!

            @murbert in this instance ventoy failed. first time ever. made a rufus usb and installed that way. could have been an anomaly because its always been solid

              WetGeek I really like this OpenBox window manager. Unlike with other non-Solus VMs I've created, my mouse is perfectly handled here

              man its easy to warm up to it, isn't it? transitioning to a world with no winndows open everywhere is kind of cool. thanks for the good look.

              Brucehankins I think the one thing I would have issue with on Bunsen is the Bullseye base. It appears to be using "standard" Debian 11, not the testing or development branches. Did you notice if the packages where fresh or where they more of an LTS like the 5.10 kernel?

              I have the gnome-software center and synaptic but unlike Ubu Budgie, it does not promote or shake me down for updates every minute. maybe a setting? I will check out more and elaborate fresh or not.

              brent in this instance ventoy failed. first time ever. made a rufus usb and installed that way

              I've been giving more thought to Ventoy, and I've just about concluded that it still probably won't be useful to me. I assume that over time it fills up with .ISO files. Then, when you want to add another, you'll need to remove something to make room. And that could be just because you want to check out the newest version of something you've installed before.

              The more I consider it, the more I'm convinced that one small USB flash drive and Etcher are all I need.

                WetGeek And that could be just because you want to check out the newest version of something you've installed before.

                The more I consider it, the more I'm convinced that one small USB flash drive and Etcher are all I need.

                two schools of thought.
                1) if you have a lot of old isos in reality you are curating/saving them, not launching them anymore. ventoy would not be useful.
                2) but if you had 10-15 bitchin' trending (as the kids say) flavours and distros you are chomping at the bit to try out/install/VM/review or keep around, then Ventoy is very necessary. they are all at your fingertips and can be launched immediately. and installed immediately.
                *you are right of course that usb size will dictate distro amount. I keep a steady stable of 10 I like, often adding, often throwing away

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                WetGeek

                I assume that over time it fills up with .ISO files. Then, when you want to add another, you'll need to remove something to make room.

                Correct. That's indeed how flash drives work. If it fills up, you need to remove files to make room for new ones.

                WetGeek looking forward to the full review. I've got Endeavour Plasma installed temporarily on a budget HP Pavilion 17 I just took possession of and LXQt on an early 2009 iMac. Very happy with everything except for Pacman. I've got to set up some aliases for it if I'm going to keep Endeavour around.

                  EndeavourOS Cassini - Observations, cont.

                  My next task was to scan through the system settings, and create some virtual desktops. The defaults were mostly agreeable, but I shut off the various screen dimmers and blankers, since this laptop host is always running on A/C. Considering the kernel in use, I strongly suspect that this distro is not based on an LTS version.

                  The next item on my task-list is to modify the bottom panel to move the new virtual desktops (which were placed there automatically upon creating them) to the center of the panel with two panel spacers. I've done this so many times that I'm getting really good at it.

                  Uh oh! Dolphin found Shared Folders (smb) when I clicked on Network, but then claimed there are no shared folders found. That's bullox, of course, as we all know by now. On the off-chance that the NAS hadn't awakened yet today, I repeated the request four times. I can't wait to see what happens when I mount the NAS shares with a change to /etc/fstab. 😊

                  Thankfully, EndeavourOS installed the VirtualBox guest additions without complaint, so this VM has access to all of it's host machine's USB 3.0 ports. I inserted a USB flash drive that contains all my distro configuration files, and this refusal by Dolphin was but a minor inconvenience.

                  Now, after mounting those shares, Dolphin displays their names, but insists that it can't enter any of them. That's apparently a distro issue, because many distros that I've tried have no such problems. And Dolphin still insists that there are no smb shares available. That's gotta be news to my smb server. I've never been able to figure out how to solve this problem.

                  I installed Vivaldi using Pacman, then configured and sync'd it. Then I installed and tried to setup Thunderbird, but although I'd added two email accounts, the Thunderbird UI did not appear. So I started it again from the menu, and it displayed the account setup page again. After the third attempt, I rebooted the system and tried launching Thunderbird again. The same thing happened when I tried to launch it.

                  CONCLUSION
                  Given that I can't access my NAS shares using Dolphin, and I can't get Thunderbird to appear, there's no point in further preparing this distro for an extended daily user test. And since the problems I've encountered could reflect a poor implementation of the Plasma DE, I'm going to start over and evaluate the community edition that features OpenBox instead of any DE.

                  The Plasma version does show definite promise. It's fast, it readily installed the VBox guest additions, and the mouse almost works as it should, but that's not enough to make it a good candidate for a daily-driver. We'll soon see what the OpenBox edition offers

                  Brucehankins Very happy with everything except for Pacman. I've got to set up some aliases for it if I'm going to keep Endeavour around.

                  Are you trying to tell us you stole the Pavilion? 😊

                  If I were going to use any Arch version for an extended time on hardware, I think I'd create 4 or 5 aliases, too. At least enough to handle the most common functions. Its native syntax gives me a rash. I think I'm allergic.

                    WetGeek I think I'm allergic as well.
                    Stolen from the scrap bin of "this doesn't boot anymore and it's getting thrown out".