Bunsen Labs Berylliium - Coming Attraction

I've been waiting for this ever since I evaluated their previous release, Lithium. But due to its unique nature, this will be something coming to us in the near future. I expect it to take me longer than it does to explore the typical Debian 11 spin.

I'd also like to point out that -- athough I've created these threads -- I don't consider them personal property! I would love for others who know of interesting distros to bring them to our attention by exploring them and posting your observations here. Happy Winter Solstice, everyone!

    brent An OS wrapped inside an OS.

    Do you intend to review it here? It would certainly qualify as an "other interesting distro."

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      WetGeek My VirtualBox doesn't detect the appimage as a disc image. Gonna try Ventoy next.

      WetGeek Axios was just showing you it existed. I only commented because it blew mind🙂. No review from me.

      WetGeek It looks like a beautiful cousin to Lithium. This was going to be my #2 distro until I saw this at their website:
      "Remember that BunsenLabs is a hobby Linux distro released under the GNU GPLv3+ license. This means there is no liability, warranty, or support, or guaranteed updates. If you need those things, choose another distro instead."

      Look forward to your full review.
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        Greetings from Beryllium
        Despite family holiday interruptions, things are proceeding with my exploration of Beryllium. As this post implies, I'm coming to you from that distro with this message. So far, I've installed Thunderbird, installed and configured Vivaldi and sync'd it. I've created eight virtual desktops, which makes my task much easier.

        What I haven't done so far is to modify /etc/fstab and mount my NAS shares. I'm a little concerned about that, because I could install neither nfs-utils nor nfs-common from the Debian repository the first time I tried. I might have just made a typo that I didn't catch, so re-trying that will be the next thing I do. See you again soon ...

        brent or guaranteed updates. If you need those things, choose another distro instead

        Remember, Beryllium is built on top of Debian 11, so what we think of as "updates" are simply done with apt*.
        I suspect that message simply means there's no guarantee of a version past Beryllium. But a similar disclaimer could be made for any Linux distro.

        • or Symantec Package Manager, if you prefer GUIs.

          WetGeek that makes sense as an updated version then. If it's deb 11 then its daily sudo apt update all the way. thanks for clearing that up

          tell me (us) if you like it better than Lithium--which you tried twice and I've tried twice--I be genuinely interested on your observations/edit

          2nd edit/I'm downloading it now and will install on my windows ssd. note the word 'hybrid' in the name of the 64bit iso.

          Bunsen Labs Beryllium - Observations

          I guess it's time to get started with this. One of the first things I noticed is that Thunar is the default file manager, and it sucks rocks. Couldn't even find my NAS on the network, despite my clicking on Windows Network -- and my NAS is an smb server (as well as an nfs server). No worries, though ... Dolphin to the rescue. It easilly found my NAS, and opened the folder that contains my setup files. It also brought with it a bunch of KDE dependencies, of course, but it's well worth that in order to have the world's best Linux file manager to work with.

          I installed my bashrcAdditions, my file of aliases including unitFiles. That told me that there are only 35 unit files enabled by Beryllium upon startup, which is on the low side of medium among the distros I've explored. As always, that's ten times Solus' 3 or 4, but still, it doesn't take long to startup or shutdown this distro.

          As I've been asked to do, here's a look at its neofetch statistics:

          Oops! Looks like I need to fix my typo in the hostname. Thankfully, that's easy to do.

          This has been going much better than I was afraid it would. Apparently I've remembered more of Lithium than I thought I did. I've installed Thunderbird and added two email accounts, and installed and configured Vivaldi. I have much to do yet, and there's not a lot of day left, so I suspect I won't be posting about this again until tomorrow.

          Bunsen Labs Beryllium - Observations, cont.

          I mentioned that I've installed Dolphin, and now I've modified /etc/fstab to include my NAS shares. Dolphin now lists my shaes, and not only that ... it accesses them using the nfs protocol. I think I can make the display a bit easier to read if I work with the themes. Credit is due to Beryllium as well, not just Dolphin. I've used Dolphin during my explorations of many KDE Plasma installations that would not allow accessing my shares after an identical setup.

          The first and only (so far) disappointment with Beryllium had been the disappearence of six of my virtual desktops when I rebooted. I'd defined my usual 8 desktops, so I could configure this to (almost*) duplicate my daily laptop, but when I logged on again, there were only 2 empty desktops available. It's not hard to create more, just Super+Tab to create another one, but I need to do that six times to get back to where I was before I rebooted. And, of course, none of my running applications survived the reboot. Sometimes I really miss KDE Plasma.

          Now, that's definitely it until tomorrow. All I'm going to do now is sync Vivaldi and then call it a day.

          * My laptop is the VM host, so I have two more virtual desktops there. One's for the VirtualBox manager, and another for the VM.

          I went bare metal. It's a very responsive creature. Mine is entirely in black and white which is refreshingly trippy for a default theme. I wish they'd fill up the whole right hand side with shortcut commands (utilities, preferences, notepad, writer, etc) so I can avoid the tiny teardrop (burner flame I imagine) app menu in lower left.
          I was over-the-top intrigued with Lithium and I can't even spell this version yet, so I won't, but this is even cooler.

            Bunsen Labs Beryllium - Conclusion

            I really like this OpenBox window manager. Unlike with other non-Solus VMs I've created, my mouse is perfectly handled here. While I'm playing one of my solitaire games, if I do my part to keep the mouse from moving while I click it, there's no missing the tile or card I'm selecting. And the scroll wheel scrolls the way it should, so I don't need to look for vertical scroll bars everywhere. Yean, gotta love OpenBox.

            The mouse isn't the only thing that works well here. Everything does. There's no jerkyness when moving a window across the screen, or when moving a card onto a pile when playing Spider solitaire. This is the distro that could most make me forget I'm using a VM instead of Solus on my laptop. Other than the bottom panel's looking very different from Solus Plasma's bottom panel, it would be hard to tell the diffeence based on the way they work.

            Here you can see what I mean by the bottom panels' looking different. Otherwise the desktops pretty much look the same. This illustrates a technique I use often with VMs. The VM isn't at full-frame, obviously, but it's window is maximized. Thus, it fills the entire client area of its host's window. Doing this makes both OSs immediately available at the click of the mouse, and in particular it lets me use Spectacle on the host machine to take screenshots of the VM screen much more conveniently. I can use Gwenview to resize the screenshot on my Solus host and paste it into a post that I'm writing.

            This technique is especialy good when I want to capture an open context menu, for example. If I started to take a screenshot using the VMs screen capture utility, the menu would close as soon as I click to take the screenshot. Even adding a delay after the click often doesn't work.

            CONCLUSION
            It would be hard to express how impressed I am with Bunsen Labs Beryllium. Its being presented by a window manager instead of a DE does make for some differences that are quite good, and others that I wouldn't be able to tolerate full-time.

            An important advantage is the high-performance nature of OpenBox. Its operation is smooth and fast. And there's little difference between running an app on the VM and running it on the host. And as I mentioned, even the scroll wheel on my mouse works the same as it does on the host machine.

            Becuase of my typical workflow, it's important for me to be able to access my NAS on the local network. My various shares -- e.g., Documents, Music, Pictures, Downloads, etc. -- hold the data used by all the computers that are connected to the network. Individual machines need only a small SSD to contain their OS and run applications. Beryllium needed no more than adding those shares to its /etc/fstab file, installing nfs-commmon, and changing to a better file manager. It provides full access to all those shares and their contents, without any of the hassles I routinely encounter with other non-Solus distros. Maybe the lack of a DE is it's key to this? Nothing to get in the way?

            On the negative side, of course, is the problem I've already mentioned. My KDE Plasma DE is set to restore a previous session when I start a new one. It retains the 10 virtual desktops on my laptop, and restores the applications running in them -- all except for Vivaldi, for some reason. But Vivaldi restores all its open tabs on its own, so that just leaves me with one application to restart. Whether it's rebooted or restarted after being shut down, Beryllium simply provides its default of two empty desktops. That means I not only need to re-create the other six desktops I typically use, but I also need to re-start all the applications that occupied those desktops. Again, I attribute this behavior to the fact that OpenBox is a window manager, not a DE.

            So, once again, another interesting distro that I'm exploring is no immediate threat to my beloved Solus Plasma. I am, however, interested in trying this OS on hardware. The DELL Latitude I ordered for my wife (and she doesn't need anymore) is now scheduled to arrive today. I'm pretty sure I'm going to start it out with Beryllium, at least until I need it to try out another distro. With the 1.0 TB SSD that it comes with, instead of the 32 GB SSD of one of my VMs, I can make a swap partition plenty big enough for it to hibernate quite well. Maybe the solution for a window manager instead of a DE is simply to restart it as seldom as possible?

              brent I went bare metal.

              I plan on doing that as well. As I mentioned in my conclusion, my wife no longer needs the DELL Latitude I ordered to replace hers, after it turned out that the only problem with hers was a dead power supply that I've since replaced. So that's now scheduled to arrive today, and I'm looking forward to starting it out with Beryllium.

              It's an exact duplicate of my daily-driver laptop, so that's as close as possible to evaluating how it would work in the role of replacing Solus if I should ever need to do that. And for at least a brief time, I expect it to be a real kick in the pants to use it on a daily basis.

              I don't really think I could get past the problem I mentioned, where I lose most of my virtual desktops and their contents when a reboot is needed, but for a brief few days trial, I just won't reboot it!

              By the way, if you press Super+Tab, you can see what it's like to have more than one desktop available to use. The default for Beryllium is two of them, and click on the Go there... link to change from one to the other. (Or just click on the image in the bottom panel.) After you see how convenient and productive it is to have a second desktop available to use, you might even want to try the Add new desktop link to add a third. And so on.

              And if you really like them in Beryllium, I'll be glad to show you how to create some in Budgie. It's super easy, and they don't go away when you reboot after a weekly update. If you have some and don't always need them, it's no worries. Just use Budgie's default desktop (#1) and ignore the others.

                WetGeek I plan on doing that as well. As I mentioned in my conclusion, my wife no longer needs the DELL Latitude I ordered to replace hers, after it turned out that the only problem with hers was a dead power supply that I've since replaced. So that's now scheduled to arrive today, and I'm looking forward to starting it out with Beryllium.

                Ventoy is now useful in your use case

                  murbert Ventoy is now useful in your use case

                  😊 Yep. And so is Etcher. I have a feeling I'll put off using Ventoy until I have more than just one .ISO file to keep track of.

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                  dd is the way to go. adds a lot of thrill to the flashing process too.

                  I was really looking forward to exploring ExTiX. I would be a two-fer for me, as I've never heard of ExTiX Linux, and never experienced Deepin, although I've heard of that. But after having the installer stop before it partitioned the virtual disk drive, with a message that ExTiX requires 64 GB, and 128 GB is recommended, I've already learned everything I need to know about it.

                  WetGeek I think the one thing I would have issue with on Bunsen is the Bullseye base. It appears to be using "standard" Debian 11, not the testing or development branches. Did you notice if the packages where fresh or where they more of an LTS like the 5.10 kernel?
                  Solus has really spoiled me with updates, it would be hard to use something that's not as leading edge anymore.

                    Brucehankins Did you notice if the packages where fresh or where they more of an LTS like the 5.10 kernel?

                    I didn't notice, but based on the kernel it uses, I suspect you're right. It might be possible to install a newer kernel after-the-fact, but I haven't looked into that. And I don't plan to keep Beryllium around long enough for it to make a difference.

                    EndeavourOS Cassini - Observations

                    This my next target for an exploration. I can't remember for sure whether I've evaluated EndeavourOS before, but if I have, it's been a very long time. I love their huge collections of DEs from which one can be selected during the installation process. I selected KDE Plasma, of course.

                    The excellent installer utility also offered a number of community editions, of which OpenBox was just one example. Much as I usually avoid those, preferring official releases, that's one I just might need to try when I get done with this review. I was very impressed with OpenBox as it was implemented in Bunsen Labs Beryllium.

                    This distro is Arch-based, so I'm expecting good things from it. My first impression is very positive. When I resized the VM window, the OS resized itself accordingly. And when I invoked the Host+F VirtualBox incantation, EndeavourOS leapt to full-screen with no hesitation.

                    I have a feeling this one is going to be a lot of fun!