I have used MS Edge on my Solus some times already. You could download package from MS and run directly. So far I found no problem 🙂.
Note: The update script i steal the idea from other guy used to update VS Code which i forgot his name

    minh

    minh I have used MS Edge on my Solus some times already. You could download package from MS and run directly. So far I found no problem.

    As you have, quite a number have reported using "roll-your-own" methods to install Edge for testing.

    Most users interested in Edge, though, are looking for is a way to use Edge on Solus that is 100% legal, "just works" and doesn't entangle them in self-maintenance.

    Solus will not be developing an eopkg because Edge-Linux is not freely distributable and Solus is not accepting new software for the Third Party repo (see Microsoft Edge (linux ver)). Given that, the only practical solution is a community-maintained Flapak or (eventually) a Microsoft-maintained Snap.

        There is one little thing that I find really weird:
        When I decide to run linux on my computer one of the MAIN reasons is to get rid of Microsoft and regain control over my computer and how I use it.
        Why on earth do linux people's mouths get all watery when MS starts offering software built to be used on linux machines?
        My first reaction would be to be very, very suspicious!
        Come on, it cannot be those milliseconds that you think Edge will be quicker than other major browsers, can it?

        And, tomscharbach, your generalising description of Linux I find rather difficult:
        "But Linux, commanding an almost non-existent share of the desktop market, has serious driver problems and often requires tinker-knowledge that goes well beyond the capabilities of most users. In that respect, Linux reminds me of Windows in the XP days -- while it is possible to get almost anything to work, it often isn't easy."

        The days of "terminal only" and "tinker-knowledge" are long gone by, for the everyday user at least (thank God!):
        You could very well use a linux system on your computer and not need the terminal at all, there is an abundance of linux operating systems out there that made just that: The "terminal only" approach superfluous.
        And, I can understand your argument "linux has serious driver problems" - but what kind of users are you talking about?
        If you always want to use the latest cutting-edge technology - fine, then you might find driver problems in linux.
        But the way you generalise linux as a whole is going a little too far, I find. And, to be fair: You get a lot of driver problems in Windows, too. And you get even more problems running Windows on your computer if you're not a tinkerer and want to get rid of those first problems by searching the internet and downloading stuff, ha ha ha...

        The amount of time I spent on repairing, on maintaining and keeping Windows afloat was just too much (and still is, even nowadays!). I got so fed up with the amount of time wasted by doing all of that before I could start using my computer for what I needed it for that I decided to get rid of MS altogether. That was my main reason to switch to linux.
        Everybody went: "Oh no, not linux, all those commands you will have to know, isn't linux for IT professionals only?"
        I just asked them how much time they had wasted watching those update orgies hi-jacking their computer.
        Or how much money they had spent on anti-virus software. That would slow it down. And bloat it.
        Or how fast their computer was after a few years of running Windows on it.
        I don't understand your argument even less, tomscharbach, if you then turn around to hail Solus as a near-perfect desktop OS (which it is, damn it!).
        Isn't linux and FOSS about freedom? About choice? About NOT getting hi-jacked when using a computer - a computer for the home user type of guy or gal, because that's what we're talking about here (this is the Solus forum after all). I thought it was.
        And Solus is indeed a near-perfect example of what that thing called linux can do for those types of guys and gals:
        Provide the means for organising and running your digital life even if you're NOT an IT professional.
        To be honest:
        Even though I am one of those average types of guys needing to use a computer I am interested what might make Edge for Linux a better browser. But it will never get installed on my main machine. No way it will.

              SOLUSfiddler The amount of time I spent on repairing, on maintaining and keeping Windows afloat was just too much (and still is, even nowadays!). I got so fed up with the amount of time wasted by doing all of that before I could start using my computer for what I needed it for that I decided to get rid of MS altogether. That was my main reason to switch to linux.

              I never forgot ....love this FOSS reply. Don't forget the amt of time fortifying its security every single day, and how the "update orgies" would nullify all your registry and policy and service tweaks. And how in pursuit of software to fortify it, you let more scam artists in with false positives from the bugs they created. Etc forever.

              But the Edge browser? If I have to do MS stuff on an MS product, and I have to do google stuff on a google product, then no one on either knows I'm on a strict firefox reading Solus, or NFL draft news, or stuff like how to restore a brass chair, or general research, or the newest data about Colony Collapse Disorder, or buying the ms. brent a unique gift on Etsy--then I may not have to worry about those devils always looking over my shoulder. It's a working theory...I have not implemented it yet.
              Rock on🙂.

                SOLUSfiddler When I was a boy growing up in the US in the 1950's, Ford versus Chevy was a topic of intense debate among both boys and men. The Ford camp and the Chevy camp each were fiercely loyal to their brands, and the fan club for each brand disparaged the other brand. Looking back, it was mostly nonsense. Neither brand was better than the other, and neither manufactured cars and trucks nearly as good as the most basic cars and trucks manufactured today.

                As an adult, I witnessed equally heated debates about IBM as400 versus Unix, ascii versus ebcdic, ethernet versus token ring, competing voicemail technologies, competing WAN technologies and so on. I was in senior IT management at the time the debates were hot, and it was my job to filter out the noise, weigh the relative advantages and disadvantages of each, and try to chart a course for our global enterprise-level business that provided a solid, cost-efficient combination of platforms and computing models (e.g. distributed versus central, thin client versus fat client, and so on) that best served our business needs. I learned to be agnostic, make decisions based on cost/benefit, and to let the anger of whichever camp I displeased run off me like rain runs off a roof.

                A similarly heated debate has raged about personal computer operating systems -- Windows versus Apple OS's versus Linux -- for at least 30-odd years. I am an agnostic in that respect, too, using Windows, Linux, Android and iOS on a daily basis. I see advantages and disadvantages in each, and try to use all of them in combination to create an environment that fits my needs.

                I think the same way about the Windows-Linux debate. I have experience with both Windows (going back about 35 years) and Linux (going back about 15 years), and I am, simply, not in either camp. I appreciate the passion that drives adherents into Windows versus Linux camps, but I don't share it, using both, and remaining "of two minds" about the relative advantages and disadvantages of the two operating systems.

                With that in mind, let me address a few of the issues you've raised:

                SOLUSfiddler Why on earth do linux people's mouths get all watery when MS starts offering software built to be used on linux machines?

                I don't know about "watery" (is that similar to drooling, or is it more similar to frothing at the mouth?), but quite a few people work, of necessity, in a mixed Windows-Linux environment, and almost all enterprise-level businesses deploy both Windows and Linux environments, requiring a relatively large number of employees to be OS-ambidextrous. I think those users are the people interested in Edge-Linux.

                SOLUSfiddler The days of "terminal only" and "tinker-knowledge" are long gone by, for the everyday user at least (thank God!): You could very well use a linux system on your computer and not need the terminal at all, there is an abundance of linux operating systems out there that made just that: The "terminal only" approach superfluous.

                While Linux has moved well beyond the "terminal only" phase, the terminal is not dead in Linux. In the first post in this thread, I discussed installing Edge on a Solus computer, using three simple terminal commands ("flatpak remote-add flathub-beta https://flathub.org/beta-repo/flathub-beta.flatpakrepo", then "flatpak install flathub-beta org.godotengine.Godot", then "flatpak install com.microsoft.Edge"). If there is a way to install flathub-beta and then an app from the flathub-beta repository without using the terminal, I would appreciate knowing about it. I don't think that it can be done in Solus.

                I agree with you that the "everyday user" can use a well-designed distro for everyday tasks without resorting to the terminal, but if you read the "Support" posts on this forum (and similar forums for other distros), you'll notice that a lot of solutions involve both terminal commands and tinker-knowledge.

                I agree with you that "[t]he "terminal only" approach is superfluous", but I also think that the issue is a red herring, both ways.

                SOLUSfiddler And, I can understand your argument "linux has serious driver problems" - but what kind of users are you talking about? If you always want to use the latest cutting-edge technology - fine, then you might find driver problems in linux. But the way you generalise linux as a whole is going a little too far, I find. And, to be fair: You get a lot of driver problems in Windows, too.

                Like it or not, the fact is that Linux commands a very small market share in the desktop/laptop computer market, and many manufacturers don't build Linux drivers for their products, cutting edge or not. This forum reflects that -- complaints abound to the effect that "I can't get this or that printer, wifi adapter and so on working ..." and the problem is almost always a driver problem, either a driver that doesn't exist because the manufacturer doesn't make a Linux driver or a driver that exists, but isn't in the kernel, requiring terminal installation. In general, driver issues are not nearly as big an issue in Windows, assuming that the products involved are from major manufacturers, because the manufacturers make Windows drivers and Windows includes them in the OS.

                SOLUSfiddler [W]hat kind of users are you talking about?

                In general, users who don't have a technical background and want to use a desktop/laptop that "just works". I support about two dozen friends, all in their 70's (as I am) as an on-call "geek". All are intelligent people, facile in computer use but without technical background. I also support, as a volunteer, the computers and network for a small railroad museum (11 desktops/laptops, a small, locked-down business-side network, and a 9-router distributed campus wifi network). As is the case with my friends, most of the people using the computers and network are retired, intelligent and facile, but without much understanding of what is going on in the background. Many younger users are more knowledgeable than older users, to be sure, but my guess is that most younger people are not all that different from the people I'm describing -- most don't have a technical background and want to use a desktop/laptop that "just works", with as little fuss and bother as possible.

                SOLUSfiddler I don't understand your argument even less, tomscharbach, if you then turn around to hail Solus as a near-perfect desktop OS (which it is, damn it!).

                I don't see an inconsistency in my observation ("However, within the limitations of Linux, Solus Budgie is a near-perfect desktop OS.") To me, it is possible to both understand and appreciate Solus Budgie as a "near-perfect desktop OS" while recognizing, at the same time, that Linux, upon which Solus is built, imposes limitations. If you do see an inconsistency, I won't argue about it, but I've used a number of distros over the years, and Solus Budgie shines in comparison, for the reasons I mentioned.

                SOLUSfiddler Isn't linux and FOSS about freedom? About choice? About NOT getting hi-jacked when using a computer - a computer for the home user type of guy or gal, because that's what we're talking about here (this is the Solus forum after all). I thought it was.

                I think in much more practical, less philosophical terms, probably because of my background. To me, the purpose of an OS (e.g. Linux, Windows 10, MacOS) is to provide a solid, reasonably stable operating environment, the purpose of a distro (e.g. Solus Budgie) is to provide a "clean and quick, simple and intuitive" working environment, and the purpose of FOSS (e.g. LibreOffice, Gimp) is the same as the purpose of propriety software (e.g. Office 365 or Adobe Photoshop), to provide working tools that meet the needs of the user. While I support FOSS and have used FOSS almost exclusively in my own computing environment for the last twenty-odd years, the reasons are more practical (the need to work as seamlessly as reasonably possible in a mixed Windows-Linux computing environment) than philosophical. I just don't align well with black and white divisions, particularly those that are philosophical in origin.

                                tomscharbach I've used a number of distros over the years, and Solus Budgie shines in comparison, for the reasons I mentioned.

                                That's consistent with my experience. I used other distros for years until I met Solus, and no longer feel any need to experiment with others.

                                  tomscharbach
                                  Thank you so much for your detailed response!
                                  I am not a native speaker of English - so "watery" was supposed to mean drooling, I presume (mouth-watering).
                                  Also thank you for sharing your views on the computing world and why you stand clear of "black and white divisions" - sounds wise to me.
                                  I've learned something for which I am grateful.

                                    SOLUSfiddler I agree with the main points of your comment. For people trying to get away from Windows it just doesn't make sense to run towards these new products which simply tangle them back up in the Microsoft walled gardens and data collection. You are I run Linux for the same reason.. privacy, security, and control over our devices.

                                    However, playing the devil's advocate, I can think of a number of reasons why Linux users would want to install the Edge Browser.

                                    Some people just like browsers. There was a time when I had every browser under the sun. Remember Torch? What a cool concept! Yandex is still one of the best browsing experiences I have had to date. What about Waterfox? Pale Moon? Sea Monkey? Epiphany? Maxthon? Epic? That doesn't even include Opera, Vivaldi, Konquerer, etc etc etc.

                                    I wouldn't touch these browsers now if you paid me but some people just like tinkering.. which is what Linux is known for.

                                    Also I believe that many, many of the "IT Professionals" everyone thinks of when they think of Linux do actually work in the Tech industry and many have Microsoft and Windows certifications which require them to at least run Windows 10 which has Edge pre-installed. Some might need/want Edge for professional use cases.

                                    There have even been several posts across the internet where I have seen people say that they wanted Edge as a way to keep all of the Microsoft/Windows based services under one piece of software so they would be able to stop mixing MSN and Hotmail and Outlook emails, Office, and Azure with their day-to-day browser.

                                    One final reason that springs to mind as a reason to install the Edge Browser is those who are actively encouraging the open-sourcing of Windows and Microsoft products by making them available on Linux platforms. Many people (and I may be wrong but I would consider many Ubuntu users specifically) may be interested in running Edge because they genuinely want to test, develop, and give feedback to try and encourage Microsoft to tilt further towards open-source models.

                                    When someone asks people like you and I, @SOLUSfiddler, why we run Linux the answer is 'to get away from Microsoft, and Google, and Big Tech, and Government Surveillance.'

                                    But Linux is not an OS platform, it is a community of people.

                                    Why do they run Linux?

                                    Because they can.

                                    Sadly many people may not yet truly understand the profound problems that arise from existing within Big Tech Walled Gardens. This is only my opinion but I feel it is moments such as these that create opportunities to begin a dialogue with those people on why running a browser like Edge is -not- in their best interests but also effectively communicating how using a proprietary piece of software like Edge can actually be a way to end the use of that same software.

                                    Richard Stallman, Founder of Gnu Project, explained this much better than me in his article "Is It Ever a Good Thing to Use a Non-Free Program?"

                                        SOLUSfiddler

                                        I was just going to link the article in my previous comment but I actually think that this aspect of Gnu Philosophy is under discussed and deserves more attention and debate among Linux users.

                                        "Is It Ever a Good Thing to Use a Nonfree Program?"
                                        by Richard Stallman

                                        The question here is, is it ever a good thing to use a nonfree program? Our conclusion is that it is usually a bad thing, harmful to yourself and in some cases to others.

                                        If you run a nonfree program on your computer, it denies your freedom; the immediate wrong is directed at you.(*)

                                        That does not mean you're an “evildoer” or “sinner” for running a nonfree program. When the harm you're doing is mainly to yourself, we hope you will stop, for your own sake.

                                        Sometimes you may face great pressure to run a nonfree program; we don't say you must defy that pressure at all costs (though it is inspiring when someone does that), but we do urge you to look for occasions to where you can refuse, even in small ways.

                                        If you recommend that others run the nonfree program, or lead them to do so, you're leading them to give up their freedom. Thus, we have a responsibility not to lead or encourage others to run nonfree software. Where the program uses a secret protocol for communication, as in the case of Skype, your own use of it pressures others to use it too, so it is especially important to avoid any use of these programs.

                                        But there is one special case where using some nonfree software, and even urging others to use it, can be a positive thing. That's when the use of the nonfree software aims directly at putting an end to the use of that very same nonfree software.

                                        In the past

                                        In 1983 I decided to develop the GNU operating system, as a free replacement for Unix. The feasible way to do it was to write and test the components one by one on Unix. But was it legitimate to use Unix for this? And was it legitimate to ask others to use Unix for this, given that Unix was proprietary software? (Of course, if it had not been proprietary, it would not have required replacing.)

                                        The conclusion I reached was that using Unix to put an end to the use of Unix was legitimate for me to suggest to other developers. I likened it to participating in small ways in some evil activity, such as a criminal gang or a dishonest political campaign, in order to expose it and shut it down. While participating in the activity is wrong in itself, shutting it down excuses minor peripheral participation, comparable to merely using Unix. This argument would not justify being a ringleader, but I was only considering using Unix, not going to work for its development team.

                                        The job of replacing Unix was completed when the last essential component was replaced by Linux, the kernel started by Linus Torvalds in 1991. We still add to the GNU/Linux system, but that doesn't require using Unix, so it isn't a reason for using Unix—not any more. Thus, whenever you're using a nonfree program for this sort of reason, you should reconsider from time to time whether the need still exists.
                                        Nowadays

                                        However, there are other nonfree programs we still need to replace, and the analogous question often arises. Should you run the nonfree driver for a peripheral to help you develop a free replacement driver? (More precisely, is it ethical for us to suggest that you do so?) Yes, by all means. Is it ok to run the nonfree JavaScript on a web site in order to file complaint asking the webmasters to free that JavaScript code, or make the site work without it? Definitely—but other than that, you should have LibreJS block it for you.

                                        But this justification won't stretch any further. People that develop nonfree software, even software with malicious functionalities, often try to excuse this on the grounds that they fund some development of free software. However, a business that is basically wrong can't be legitimized by spending some of the profits on a worthy cause. For instance, some (not all) of the activities of the Gates Foundation are laudable, but they don't excuse Bill Gates's career, or Microsoft. If the business works directly against the worthy cause it tries to legitimize itself with, that is a self-contradiction and it undermines the cause.

                                        Even using a nonfree program to develop free software in general is better to avoid, and not suggest to others. For instance, we should not ask people to run Windows or MacOS in order to make free applications run on them. As developer of Emacs and GCC, I accepted changes to make them support nonfree systems such as VMS, Windows and MacOS. I had no reason to reject that code, even though people had run nonfree systems to write it. Their use of unjust systems was not at my request or suggestion; rather, they were already using them before starting to write changes for GNU. They also did the packaging of releases for those systems.

                                        The “developing its own replacement” exception is valid within its limits, and crucial for the progress of free software, but we must resist stretching it any further lest it turn into an all-purpose excuse for any profitable activity with nonfree software.
                                        Author's note

                                        Occasionally it is necessary to use and even upgrade a nonfree system on a machine in order to install a free system to replace it on that machine. This is not exactly the same issue, but the same arguments apply: it is legitimate to recommend running some nonfree software momentarily in order to remove it.

                                            jrsilvey When I need a cold cup of coffee I read Stallman----his single-mindedness is not stubborn to me at all, it's refreshing. Thanks for sharing it.

                                            jrsilvey When someone asks people like you and I, @SOLUSfiddler, why we run Linux the answer is 'to get away from Microsoft, and Google, and Big Tech, and Government Surveillance.'

                                            I'm cynical enough to balk some here. Google and amazon are baked into nearly every web page even if you don't use their services. Linux and browser-hardening might barely keep #1 #2 & #3 at arm's length but I'm not putting any money on it---at least not in internet land.

                                            Linux to me is 1) I don't feel like my OS is undermining me and sabotaging me. I felt like that for decades...and 2) it's a healthier community despite its splinters and 3) overall not as vulnerable as the win/mac duopoly.

                                            It's amazing how many points of view there are about a batch of ones and zeros---that Matrix child was absolutely on the on the money when explaining to Neo about the spoon..

                                                  brent

                                                  jrsilvey jrsilvey When I need a cold cup of coffee I read Stallman----his single-mindedness is not stubborn to me at all, it's refreshing. Thanks for sharing it.

                                                  You're welcome. I apologize if Stallman is boring to you but his writing is incredibly important to the entire open-source movement.

                                                  However it seems you completely missed the entire point of my comment so I would like to add that context back into the conversation.

                                                  When someone asks people like you and I, @SOLUSfiddler, why we run Linux the answer MIGHT BE 'to get away from Microsoft, and Google, and Big Tech, and Government Surveillance.'

                                                  But Linux is not an OS platform, it is a community of people.

                                                  Why do they run Linux?

                                                  Because they can.

                                                  Linux users run Linux for whatever reason they want to.

                                                  If I wanted to be invisible on the internet I could be. The thing is that I don't feel like going to all of the work to do that all of the time. I am not trying to go 'off-grid' or hide or any of that. Also notice that I changed the IS to MIGHT BE in the quote above since the semantics of all of this seems to be important to you.

                                                  I personally am using Linux to regain control over my computing experience. When the Solus 4 ISO came out in March of 2019 my life changed. For the first time I was living a life without any devices running Windows and suddenly I could breathe. There were no more monthly/weekly/daily zero-day vulnerabilities, no forced updates that took up hours of my time, no more telemetry I couldn't shut off, no more loss of control.

                                                  Do I still have an Outlook account that I access through Webmail? Sure, even though I don't use it much anymore.

                                                  Do I have Edge installed on my computer bringing telemetry or data collection or whatever else it might come with? Nope.

                                                  brent I'm cynical enough to balk some here.

                                                  Let me stop you there. You are cynical. Like, extremely cynical. But it is something that has become quite common among much of modern society. There is a concept known as "The Politics of Cynicism" and it has been used increasingly around the globe to influence populations over the last few decades.

                                                  It doesn't much matter to me what specifically has made you feel this way but the sharing of information can lead to paradigm shifts in understanding. That article I shared with you above, in my opinion, is a good one on this topic.

                                                  Google and amazon are baked into nearly every web page even if you don't use their services. Linux and browser-hardening might barely keep #1 #2 & #3 at arm's length but I'm not putting any money on it---at least not in internet land.

                                                  I have a degree in computer science but I don't code or work directly in tech. I am working to create change in the tech industry as an activist and political organizer. Prior to 2021 much of my efforts were focused on Congressional investigations (I lobbied for and was directly responsible for that Congressional hearing happening) into the private equity firms that own and operate our very, very hackable voting machine infrastructure. That link leads to HBO's documentary KillChain and includes a great deal of screen time devoted to Harri Hursti who is a well known computer programmer who has developed traffic analysis tools for F-secure and has received an EFF Pioneer Award.

                                                  This year much of my focus as an activist and political organizer has shifted towards pushing for large antitrust reforms among Big Tech and lobbying members of Congress to try to pass legislation that would expand the use of Linux-based software and operating systems in elementary & high schools and institutions of higher education through tax incentives to run open-source software.

                                                  Running Linux won't make Facebook or Microsoft or Apple any less intrusive. I get that.

                                                  But having quarterly conference calls with Representative Ro Khanna, whose constituency includes Silicon Valley, might make a difference. So I do that instead of worrying about whether or not using an Outlook webmail account makes me a bad person or if not using it is just a waste of time.

                                                  Linux to me is 1) I don't feel like my OS is undermining me and sabotaging me. I felt like that for decades...and 2) it's a healthier community despite its splinters and 3) overall not as vulnerable as the win/mac duopoly.

                                                  It's amazing how many points of view there are about a batch of ones and zeros---that Matrix child was absolutely on the on the money when explaining to Neo about the spoon..

                                                  It looks like we agree here. Solus just works. I'm grateful for a distro this clean and stable and powerful. It has made a huge difference in my life. I hope Linux and Solus do the same for you, @brent

                                                          PS: Another great thing about this community - the civility of this exchange that went beyond the superfluous or pre-packaged arguments.

                                                          PPS: I am 100% linux at home but confess to using some MS products (e.g. TEAMS via flatpak) as my work environment, like most, is 100% wedded to the MS paradigm.

                                                          PPPS <smile>: I give MS credit under current leadership for their Linux overtures and MS being much more user friendly then the days of XP. I still like unchaining myself from the ecosystem although I am starting to think apple is a worse offender - the rest of my family members are apple fanboys. My home is a bunch of Macs and indie linux systems (e.g. ZaReason, System76)

                                                          Finally, edge is fine...but Vivaldi offers so much more if you want a complete online browsing ecosystem and it is FAST!

                                                            jppelt Finally, edge is fine...but Vivaldi offers so much more if you want a complete online browsing ecosystem and it is FAST!

                                                            Indeed. As I've mentioned in this forum before, I even prefer Vivaldi to Edge on my computers that sometimes run Windows 10. I suspect that linux users' infatuation with Edge will be a short-lived one. It's new, interesting, and hard to get, but that won't last forever.

                                                                brent The cold cup of coffee really threw me for a loop. Hah. I must have missed the mark there.

                                                                    WetGeek

                                                                    I've talked with Von Tetzchner and some of the staff at Vivaldi. I really think Jon is immensely underrated. Not only did he give us Vivaldi but he built Opera as well. Vivaldi was established as the direct desire to change the direction that Opera ended up going to.

                                                                    At the end of last year I became a brand Ambassador for the browser. I really believe in the mission and values of the company. Jon is giving up a huge amount of profit by focusing on keeping the Vivaldi company one owned by the employees.

                                                                    They have an excellent community as well. Their forums are extremely busy and well-moderated. Also if you sign up for a Vivaldi webmail account it comes with your own blog. The blogs made by the Vivaldi Community members are what some of what make up the Vivaldi.net homepage. It is powered by Wordpress and is a nice and simple alternative to paying for hosting if anyone wants to start a small personal blog

                                                                        jrsilvey I throw myself for a loop all the time regarding communication this last year. maybe i missed the mark as well! 🙂
                                                                        EDIT: jrsilvey I've loved reading RMS in the past regarding foss philosophy, but I want retract my full love status and Walk it Back. I was made aware today of '03 and '06 blog statements he made concerning a taboo subject that I cannot reconcile with myself. While I respect his pioneering work I no longer stand by my fanhood.

                                                                        I was out of the loop on that one.

                                                                            WetGeek

                                                                            WetGeek As I've mentioned in this forum before, I even prefer Vivaldi to Edge on my computers that sometimes run Windows 10. I suspect that linux users' infatuation with Edge will be a short-lived one. It's new, interesting, and hard to get, but that won't last forever.

                                                                            I think you are right. The blinking-lights crowd will play with Edge and lose interest. It is a good browser but not materially better than Firefox and other Linux-available multi-platform browsers. The users who want to avoid the Microsoft ecosystem won't use Edge at all, just as users who want to avoid the Google ecosystem won't use Chrome. The folks who will use Edge are OS-ambidextrous users who have one foot in Windows and the other in Linux, particularly employees of businesses that are standardized on Edge. That's not a large number of users.

                                                                            Vivaldi is a superb browser, but I can't use it because it isn't available on iOS. I don't need to use a browser to access the internet on my iPhone very often, but when I do, it is because I need to access the internet right then and right there. I understand the technical reason why Vivaldi elects not to support iOS, but that doesn't change things.