jppelt Gnome sometimes feels like it went too far the other way, taking too much out, but at least you can add things in again with extensions. I have to admit, that's maybe not the best approach for completely new users. KDE users are right, KDE is a lot more customisable, but that's mostly good if you enjoy customisation for the sake of customising. I have no problem with that of course - it's not too different from distro hopping in that respect. In the end, the main reason I don't like KDE is because it looks like a bling cousin of Windows and I want to get as far away from Windows as I can possibly be