Brucehankins yeah, I've never cared for it outside of MXLinux. I hope the Solus implementation of XFCE is as polished and nice as that.

I expect it will be. it's such an oddly fitting place (solus) for this distro. I look forward to it.

    I am so happy that the new Isos are out. Thank you all so much!
    The deprecation of Mate comes somehow unexpected, but I welcome it. Can`t put it in words, but Mate always feels just strange and not right to me. My personal preference would have been to replace Mate with Cinnamon, but I trust the judgement of the team. Am curious to see where things are going.

      Staudey
      No worry : I agree with you!
      My 2 cents:
      Best installer as of today, in my opinion : popOS. Flexible, simple, efficient, 2 stages approach.
      Calamares : reputable for the user, but complex for the builder as I have understood.

      Have a nice week-end!

        Sebastian My personal preference would have been to replace Mate with Cinnamon, but I trust the judgement of the team.

        my personal choice too. it's wouldve come with its own set of obstacles no doubt.

          elfprince
          https://blog.buddiesofbudgie.org/wayland/

          ^^ nothing discussed performance that I could see, if that's what you are asking. just that the industry is moving away from x11. See bolded sections called RHEL and MUTTER--they are very eye-opening about that aspect of moving away from it.
          That's my take away. Others no doubt know more than I when it comes to performance.

              TraceyC Solus team: genuine heroes! Many thanks for bringing this wonderful OS to life again!

                JoshStrobl Thanks for the clarification, Josh. I dont know nothing about these technical aspects, thats why I fully trust the people who do know all these things (the team) to take the right decisions. It`s just that I like the way Cinnamon looks and behaves. But I understand that there are other things to consider than just the eye candy.

                  brent All I see is that people (Linux distros) are deciding to follow other people (RHEL). I do no see a well stated reason. X11 worked all this time without problems. I may be ignorant on this issue, but I've used X11 for decades, and don't see a big, obvious and glaring problem, as far as users are concerned.

                  Is this like Apple developers keep changing the UI on the iPhones to make them more complicated? 😆

                  • bleh replied to this.

                      elfprince What are the advantages of using Wayland vs X11 ecosystem?

                      I notice differences when I'm working with VMs. With X11, a VM window will slowly shrink by resizing itself downward in tiny steps. If I don't intercede, it will eventually almost close, right down to the caption bar. It's something you'd probably need to see happen in order to appreciate it. With a Wayland host, the VM window is stable, and doesn't try to downsize itself to nothing.

                      And in Plasma, which supports fractional scaling, each mouse click to increase the scaling in X11 increases it by 6.25%, which is said to reduce the chance of creating screen artifacts. In Wayland, each click increases it by 5%. I'm assuming the end result is similar, but it is a difference.

                      In practice, I always just click twice to make my 1920x1080 laptop screen more usable. So with X11, that gives me 112.5% scaling, and in Wayland, it gives me 110% scaling. I don't really notice a difference, and I never notice any artifacts.

                          I recommend e.g. some of Hector Martin's toots on why it's a bad idea to try and stick with X
                          https://fosstodon.org/@marcan@treehouse.systems/110354542373818413
                          https://fosstodon.org/@marcan@treehouse.systems/110361810829992841
                          https://fosstodon.org/@marcan@treehouse.systems/110361894167723834
                          https://fosstodon.org/@marcan@treehouse.systems/110361947769094512
                          https://fosstodon.org/@marcan@treehouse.systems/110362258946326724
                          https://fosstodon.org/@marcan@treehouse.systems/110366644422961222
                          https://fosstodon.org/@marcan@treehouse.systems/110371565853392820
                          https://fosstodon.org/@marcan@treehouse.systems/110376790316153019

                          Also this bit from Jamey Sharp
                          https://fosstodon.org/@jamey@toot.cat/110361969846165302

                          edit: Ah, @bleh beat me to (some of) it while I was compiling this random list ^^

                            elfprince What are the advantages of using Wayland vs X11 ecosystem?

                            I forgot to mention the rather subjective feeling that Wayland performs better. It just feels better than X11, in my opinion. I realize I don't have much of a way to measure that, but I enjoy using it.

                            Still got that problem of taking a VM to full-screen on a Wayland host, though. (Locks up both the VM and the host.
                            Takes an impolite shutdown to continue.) To work with VMs in a full-screen mode, I need to log into an X11 session. I hope that gets fixed soon.

                                I understand the issue with X-11 is it's almost unsupported upstream for Linux.. Much more effort is going into the Wayland project. The BSD world has it's own x-11 bubble and will continue to be supported... I encourage y'all to give a BSD a test drive..

                                Wonderful ! GUI good, CLI good, Wayland good, Pipewire good, Wine good, Installation fast, Speed unparallel. Very good job, thank you!!!