JoshStrobl Hello, Josh. Glad to see here again, glad to see Ikey, and this project regaining strenght. I wanted to know, since I asked @Staudey but he said you and Evan are more familiar or have more info regarding GNOME.

How is GNOME gonna be treated from here on now? I remember you not being so fond of GTK4, libdawaita and some things GNOME was doing. It's GNOME gonna get all it's core app updated? Staurdey said that the Solus GNOME it's plenty vanilla as it is, it's gonna stay that way?

      I'm more than hyped to see 4.4 release.
      I will hold my horses till then and install it on my laptop and see how it goes, then probably fully conclude my distrohopping journey back to where it all started.

      yesterday update shipped recent plasma and i'm floating great.
      the only big boy I'm waiting for 4.4 are the big topics said in previous post, like next-gen immutability of solus + a lot more ... also expect xfs to be considered but not too much excited for that (expecting it for somewhere around r5.x)
      Thank you guys !

        juampiursic I think there might've been a misunderstanding here. When it comes to GNOME Zach is the current maintainer (though Josh is already helping out, or has offered helping with the big GNOME updates in the future). What I probably said was that Evan and Josh are more familiar than I with the problems GNOME 44 poses for Budgie in particular.

        AFAIK there is no plan to heavily modify/patch GNOME like we did in the past (e.g. to remove libhandy), but there will of course still be patches to fix issues with it (e.g. mutter issues that affect Budgie).
        libadwaita and GTK4 are of course here to stay, out of necessity, but there might be an effort to make them more palatable on other desktops (e.g. theming-wise)

          unclemez the only big boy I'm waiting for 4.4 are the big topics said in previous post, like next-gen immutability of solus + a lot more ...

          Please note that 4.4 ISO is mostly about enabling people with new hardware to install the distro without additional effort, and to spare people the big initial update after installation (almost two years worth of updates since 4.3). Of course there will be some improvements to defaults, and fixes to e.g. the installer, but big-ticket items will come later.
          Immutability is something that'll require the Serpent tooling, so more of a Solus 5 topic.

              Staudey doing some reading today about immutability and linux---a very forward looking concept. handful of upstarts plus amazon making distros attempts at this. very cool...but if you can't change anything including permissions, packages etc than what's the point? The safety aspect I see, but not the benefit to the desktop experience. I am reading on....

              edit: i am sorry for off topic rely here.

                  Staudey thank you and sorry for going so fast ... and yes, the very topics are mostly for Solus 5 or 5.x and i'm fine with that.
                  Coming back to 4.4 ... will people (of some area of interrest) need to install fresh?
                  Just asking !

                    brent from what I've read and there, the new management and the SerpentOS plan for immutability is something more enjoyable and livable from the desktop user perspective, not exactly what you read that have been applied to common distros but something flex and easy but yet making the system more robust and almost unbreakable (which is one of the main goal of making a system immutable) but as @Staudey said, it requires that big merge to happen and it is more something for the S5 or S5.x serie ... which i'm waiting impatiently.
                    been disappointed with the actual way immutability is done (more for geeks than for everyone which is not supposed to be the case)

                        Is the whole immutable Solus going to be rolled out as a separate ISO or Solus going to fully switch to Immutable?

                          unclemez not exactly what you read that have been applied to common distros but something flex and easy but yet making the system more robust and almost unbreakable

                          what I'm reading that is common in these new immutable distros is 100% Flatpak, everything containered, and while user is allowed personalizations not much else is changeable. these concepts, for me at least, take a while to wrap my head around (if I understand it all, that is)

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