PSA: No Friday Sync this week (Kernel, LLVM, mesalib testing period)

Staudey

Hello everyone,

as most of you have probably noticed we released an additional wave of updates to our users in the default Shannon/Stable repository this Tuesday. This was in preparation for some big updates like Kernel 6.2, LLVM 15, mesalib 23.0, and KDE 5.27. These big changes have now reached the Unstable repository, and we've decided to not sync them to Shannon this Friday to allow for sufficient testing and additional updates/fixes before we release them to the majority of users.

This is also part of the preparation for the Solus 4.4 ISO refresh. The updated kernel, LLVM 15 and mesalib 23 are necessary to allow people with the newest hardware to install and use our distro.

waltff1

Can't wait until the new ISO! Would love to see what Budgie looks like on my HP-omen but the current ISO will not completely boot no matter what I try

unclemez

Waiting for the next wave ... Solus Plasma user here !

zmaint

unclemez Solus Plasma is the best Plasma🙂

juampiursic

Not asking for ETA, as per the Solus motto (? But we could expect GNOME 44 to arrive soon or later?

Staudey

juampiursic But we could expect GNOME 44 to arrive soon or later?

GNOME 44 will come after the 4.4 ISO (ha, just noticed the similarity in version).

Before that we will only incorporate GNOME 43.x fixes. The new version is just too buggy/unpredictable for now, especially in combination with environments that build on GTK stuff, like Budgie. It would be too much testing/fixing for what should be a quick ISO release.
After that is done we can focus on updating GNOME, applying the necessary patches.

unclemez

Staudey
Well, Gnome have reached 44.1 now you should be safe doing the port.
I love Solus Gnome but ... I'm deep into the Plasma dance, a VM of 4.4 when it ship 44.1 is planned by my side.

Staudey

unclemez Well, Gnome have reached 44.1 now you should be safe doing the port.

Would that it were so simple. Many things are still broken in 44.1, especially in connection with mutter (and therefore also Budgie). Josh and Evan are more familiar with the details.

(that is not to say that 44.1 won't make it into Solus, but it will at least need some additional patching)

unclemez

Staudey
Well, ship it when you are ready, I trust your work guys and will Love what you ship when you ship it !
Nice weekend y'all

Sebastian

Will Gnome 44 make it into Solus anytime soon?

Lucien_Lachance

Sebastian this was answered in antother thread, or maybe on reddit. after the iso is out was the answer i think

JoshStrobl

Sebastian After 4.4 is released as @Lucien_Lachance noted.

juampiursic

JoshStrobl Hello, Josh. Glad to see here again, glad to see Ikey, and this project regaining strenght. I wanted to know, since I asked @Staudey but he said you and Evan are more familiar or have more info regarding GNOME.

How is GNOME gonna be treated from here on now? I remember you not being so fond of GTK4, libdawaita and some things GNOME was doing. It's GNOME gonna get all it's core app updated? Staurdey said that the Solus GNOME it's plenty vanilla as it is, it's gonna stay that way?

Staudey

juampiursic I think there might've been a misunderstanding here. When it comes to GNOME Zach is the current maintainer (though Josh is already helping out, or has offered helping with the big GNOME updates in the future). What I probably said was that Evan and Josh are more familiar than I with the problems GNOME 44 poses for Budgie in particular.

AFAIK there is no plan to heavily modify/patch GNOME like we did in the past (e.g. to remove libhandy), but there will of course still be patches to fix issues with it (e.g. mutter issues that affect Budgie).
libadwaita and GTK4 are of course here to stay, out of necessity, but there might be an effort to make them more palatable on other desktops (e.g. theming-wise)

Soutaisei

I'm more than hyped to see 4.4 release.
I will hold my horses till then and install it on my laptop and see how it goes, then probably fully conclude my distrohopping journey back to where it all started.

unclemez

yesterday update shipped recent plasma and i'm floating great.
the only big boy I'm waiting for 4.4 are the big topics said in previous post, like next-gen immutability of solus + a lot more ... also expect xfs to be considered but not too much excited for that (expecting it for somewhere around r5.x)
Thank you guys !

Staudey

unclemez the only big boy I'm waiting for 4.4 are the big topics said in previous post, like next-gen immutability of solus + a lot more ...

Please note that 4.4 ISO is mostly about enabling people with new hardware to install the distro without additional effort, and to spare people the big initial update after installation (almost two years worth of updates since 4.3). Of course there will be some improvements to defaults, and fixes to e.g. the installer, but big-ticket items will come later.
Immutability is something that'll require the Serpent tooling, so more of a Solus 5 topic.

brent

Staudey doing some reading today about immutability and linux---a very forward looking concept. handful of upstarts plus amazon making distros attempts at this. very cool...but if you can't change anything including permissions, packages etc than what's the point? The safety aspect I see, but not the benefit to the desktop experience. I am reading on....

edit: i am sorry for off topic rely here.

unclemez

Staudey thank you and sorry for going so fast ... and yes, the very topics are mostly for Solus 5 or 5.x and i'm fine with that.
Coming back to 4.4 ... will people (of some area of interrest) need to install fresh?
Just asking !

unclemez

brent from what I've read and there, the new management and the SerpentOS plan for immutability is something more enjoyable and livable from the desktop user perspective, not exactly what you read that have been applied to common distros but something flex and easy but yet making the system more robust and almost unbreakable (which is one of the main goal of making a system immutable) but as @Staudey said, it requires that big merge to happen and it is more something for the S5 or S5.x serie ... which i'm waiting impatiently.
been disappointed with the actual way immutability is done (more for geeks than for everyone which is not supposed to be the case)