brent he also said that we straight up shouldn't care about people having or wanting new hardware, which imo is the completely wrong take, and did feel to be a bit condescending. I thought about saying something at the time, but didn't. Now I regret that decision.
As is being happy about where we are. Sure, but there is still a lot of work and improvement to be made, such as the very dated ISO images available.
EbonJaeger methinks this thread wore everybody a little thin
EbonJaeger he also said that we straight up shouldn't care about people having or wanting new hardware, which imo is the completely wrong take, and did feel to be a bit condescending.
I believe that you were referring to me here. All I was, and am, saying is that users with brand new computers must know that they may have a hard time installing some, or many, Linux distros. Like I said, Linux is still not Windows.
Also, I was not condescending. I was referring to the multitudes of less-than-brand-new computers which happily run Solus and other distros, because they already have supporting drivers available, etc.
If one wishes to run Solus, and many other Linux distros, on a brand new hardware, be prepared for some potential setbacks. Feelings do not come into this, just facts.
goblinking None of the team have agreed with anything elfking has said, as far as I can see in this thread. Your account that was just created to post this message also doesn't inspire much confidence. Seems like all those new reddit accounts that get created just to troll Solus. Really weird hobby, if this is also the case for you. If not, I'm sorry for suspecting as much, but you being overly dramatic doesn't help.
edit: Just to be clear, no member of the team had reacted at all at the time your message was posted, is what I meant. I don't know for certain if any team member agrees with those points.
Staudey Actually, there are some who disagreed. In my earlier posts(s) I questioned the need for super high end pcs etc, which are normally used for gaming. I apologize, it is not my concern if a user with a brand new high end game machine intends to run Solus on it.
If I wanted to play lots of games, I too would need to invest in a stronger pc, with much more memory and 'juice power', as well as 'stick 'n rudder' etc, because keyboard and mouse just doesn't cut it! 
All I know is that Solus is made for home use, and home computing, and therefore can live quite happily on an average pc. But that is just my take on it.
elfprince Personally I'm also currently rocking hardware that is way, way below the "enthusiast" level of the typical gaming PC. That being said, I think supporting both old and new hardware is important, especially if the latter is just a matter of keeping our software reasonably up-to-date (i.e. I don't support bending over backwards, importing custom patches and so on just to get hardware working on the release date). Of course this isn't always as easy as it sounds, but ideally we would provide a good common base for everyone's needs and not exclude large groups of people because there hardware is either too old or too new (within reason).
elfprince The truth is, that people still need to check around if Linux will be supported on a particular hardware, like it or not. Their responsibility.
elfprince users with brand new computers must know that they may have a hard time installing some, or many, Linux distros.
This is certainly true. However, in Solus's case, I don't think this is the problem. No one here is asking for Solus to be ready for bleeding edge hardware. The problem is that you often can't install Solus on hardware that would be supported once the install is fully updated.
Take for example, a system with an AMD 6600, a popular budget GPU. There are many folks who have successfully installed Solus and subsequently upgraded to one of these GPUs. The current "up-to-date" kernel and drivers support it fully. But if you build a brand new system with a 6600, you won't even be able to boot the live image.
(Side note, because tone doesn't come across too well in text format, and I don't want to come across as antagonistic: I totally respect your opinions and contributions on the forum. I just happen to have a different perspective in this case )
infinitymdm Totally agree. I admit also, that I don't know much. Just having a friendly (hopefully) chat on the forum on a rainy Saturday. 
infinitymdm tone doesn't come across too well in text format
truer words.....
just when you think you got yourself figured someone else will see the opposite
There are various reasons people buy a shiny new system, with components from the future. One of them is the gamer crowd, but also the artist crowd tends to need all the hot hardware. Especially the 3D modellers.
How about reducing Solus to only one desktop environment (Budgie, as that's the original Solus DE)? You guys would only need to maintain one iso. This should take a considerable amount of pressure away from the team.
Harvey Everyone on the team knows this is a problem. Everyone on the team wants a new release tagged ASAP.
I've accepted Solus as is, warts and all, and that currently changes to hardware can be a tricky, hairpulling affair; and fixing the current problems are probably more trouble than what they are worth.
I'm looking more for the future with the next release so that these types problems can be minimized (still opining for an ISO that automatically runs updates as part of the install).
We'll see what the future brings.
Not happening.
Having just one DE to support would not make the new ISO appear that much sooner. Having the amount of DE's we do is not actually that big of a deal. Each has its own dedicated maintainer and the team is currently larger than it has ever been.
If you support Budgie its not currently that much more effort to support Gnome or even Mate which does not update very often. Remove anyone's DE of choice and a large amount of people would leave, I know I would resign and move to another distro if Plasma stopped being available. It just does not make sense to take such an action.
qsl I'm looking more for the future with the next release so that these types problems can be minimized (still opining for an ISO that automatically runs updates as part of the install).
That would not help hardware support. If you can't boot the ISO because the kernel on the ISO does not support your hardware the fact that the installer can apply updates does not help you. It just stops you from needing to run sudo eopkg up -y after the initial reboot.
Harvey Hardware support is a different beast than having a boot rescue and updating from live USB just to install a driver for something already supported.
Some hardware isn't going to be supported for a variety of reasons. Understood.
But not forcing users to be baptized in the ways of chroot is something that can be fixed.
