I've been in the BSD community before Linux became my desktop choice. They always point people to the 'list' of hardware that is supported by BSD. Otherwise, no promises. So, they leave the responsibility in users hands, and expect them to do their research (an RTFM) before spending money on a computer. As @WetGeek mentioned, not much has changed. I remember that printers, especially, were (and still can be) also a big headache.
goblinking , I don't know why you are upset. This is a discussion, with many kinds of opinions.

The truth is, that people still need to check around if Linux will be supported on a particular hardware, like it or not. Their responsibility. Linux is still not Windows. Buyer beware?

      WetGeek I remember going back for many years that word was passed around in forums that this brand of computers was good with Linux, and that brand was best avoided. Apparently that's not changed much.

      In cooperation with OEMs who participate in the program (Dell, HP and Lenovo), Ubuntu tests and certifies desktops and laptops, which provides useful information. I think that the certification program is open to other OEM's, but the others don't seem to be participating. It doesn't surprise me because Dell, HP and Lenovo all offer Linux computers, which suggests that Linux is taken seriously. Other OEM's, maybe not so much.

      But otherwise, buyers have to make their own decisions.

          goblinking in elfprince's defense all he said was we have a crew working hard, for free, and the iso comes when it comes. WIN and Mac can install on most anything. Linux is not there yet; ergo not exclusively a solus thing.

          I'm sure no one at OpenSuse shed a tear for me because I couldn't bare metal install their iso on my older equipment after multiple attempts, and I'm equally sure no one went to advocate on my behalf either.

              WetGeek One might be forgiven for believing that if Ubuntu will install and run on it, Solus ought to as well. Do they test new current stuff as well as LTS releases?

              I use all-Intel as my starting point and rely on my own judgment, but unless Dell offers Ubuntu as a configuration option on the model I'm interested in (as was the case when I bought my new laptop in February), I check the Ubuntu list as a backup.

              I assume that if a computer will run Ubuntu, it will run Solus, because components and drivers, which are the most relevant indicators, are kernel-dependent.

              As far as I know, the certification is applicable only to LTS releases, but that makes sense in light of the fact that Ubuntu tests about 1,000 computers each cycle. Keep in mind that Ubuntu is a Canonical product, and Canonical is a business.

                brent he also said that we straight up shouldn't care about people having or wanting new hardware, which imo is the completely wrong take, and did feel to be a bit condescending. I thought about saying something at the time, but didn't. Now I regret that decision.

                As is being happy about where we are. Sure, but there is still a lot of work and improvement to be made, such as the very dated ISO images available.

                    EbonJaeger he also said that we straight up shouldn't care about people having or wanting new hardware, which imo is the completely wrong take, and did feel to be a bit condescending.

                    I believe that you were referring to me here. All I was, and am, saying is that users with brand new computers must know that they may have a hard time installing some, or many, Linux distros. Like I said, Linux is still not Windows.

                    Also, I was not condescending. I was referring to the multitudes of less-than-brand-new computers which happily run Solus and other distros, because they already have supporting drivers available, etc.

                    If one wishes to run Solus, and many other Linux distros, on a brand new hardware, be prepared for some potential setbacks. Feelings do not come into this, just facts.

                        goblinking None of the team have agreed with anything elfking has said, as far as I can see in this thread. Your account that was just created to post this message also doesn't inspire much confidence. Seems like all those new reddit accounts that get created just to troll Solus. Really weird hobby, if this is also the case for you. If not, I'm sorry for suspecting as much, but you being overly dramatic doesn't help.

                        edit: Just to be clear, no member of the team had reacted at all at the time your message was posted, is what I meant. I don't know for certain if any team member agrees with those points.

                            Staudey anything elfking has said

                            Thank you very much for promoting me to 'king'dom! 😀

                                elfprince Whoops, I totally had you as "elfking" in my head when I wrote that, sorry! 😃

                                  Staudey Actually, there are some who disagreed. In my earlier posts(s) I questioned the need for super high end pcs etc, which are normally used for gaming. I apologize, it is not my concern if a user with a brand new high end game machine intends to run Solus on it.

                                  If I wanted to play lots of games, I too would need to invest in a stronger pc, with much more memory and 'juice power', as well as 'stick 'n rudder' etc, because keyboard and mouse just doesn't cut it! 😆

                                  All I know is that Solus is made for home use, and home computing, and therefore can live quite happily on an average pc. But that is just my take on it.

                                      elfprince Personally I'm also currently rocking hardware that is way, way below the "enthusiast" level of the typical gaming PC. That being said, I think supporting both old and new hardware is important, especially if the latter is just a matter of keeping our software reasonably up-to-date (i.e. I don't support bending over backwards, importing custom patches and so on just to get hardware working on the release date). Of course this isn't always as easy as it sounds, but ideally we would provide a good common base for everyone's needs and not exclude large groups of people because there hardware is either too old or too new (within reason).

                                          elfprince The truth is, that people still need to check around if Linux will be supported on a particular hardware, like it or not. Their responsibility.

                                          elfprince users with brand new computers must know that they may have a hard time installing some, or many, Linux distros.

                                          This is certainly true. However, in Solus's case, I don't think this is the problem. No one here is asking for Solus to be ready for bleeding edge hardware. The problem is that you often can't install Solus on hardware that would be supported once the install is fully updated.

                                          Take for example, a system with an AMD 6600, a popular budget GPU. There are many folks who have successfully installed Solus and subsequently upgraded to one of these GPUs. The current "up-to-date" kernel and drivers support it fully. But if you build a brand new system with a 6600, you won't even be able to boot the live image.

                                          (Side note, because tone doesn't come across too well in text format, and I don't want to come across as antagonistic: I totally respect your opinions and contributions on the forum. I just happen to have a different perspective in this case 🙂)

                                                infinitymdm Totally agree. I admit also, that I don't know much. Just having a friendly (hopefully) chat on the forum on a rainy Saturday. 😁

                                                  infinitymdm tone doesn't come across too well in text format

                                                  truer words.....
                                                  just when you think you got yourself figured someone else will see the opposite

                                                    There are various reasons people buy a shiny new system, with components from the future. One of them is the gamer crowd, but also the artist crowd tends to need all the hot hardware. Especially the 3D modellers.

                                                    How about reducing Solus to only one desktop environment (Budgie, as that's the original Solus DE)? You guys would only need to maintain one iso. This should take a considerable amount of pressure away from the team.

                                                      xahodo How about reducing Solus to only one desktop environment (Budgie, as that's the original Solus DE)?

                                                      How about a compromise, and make it Budgie and Plasma? 😆