Ubuntu Budgie vs Solus?
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brent I just think too much was obscured for a newcomer going into it.
I think some of this is intentional, and some is just oversight. Ubuntu and it's flavors want to make migrating to desktop Linux easy (for the most part), showing users fewer options usually does that.
Think about the Windows Store and the App Store on Mac, you get one option for software. Can you go out and get your own from the web, absolutely. But for the "new" or "average" user who at this point probably grew up in the mobile space, that's where they're going to go. In this way, Ubuntu is trying to mirror that process and make installing, updating, and finding software as easy and GUI driven as they can.
It can be a pain for software not in the repos though, having to add PPAs, manually download and install .deb files, and manage updates or removals.
On the bright side though, I agree with tomscharbach that UB is a great implementation. Aside from snaps, the themes are well thought out and integrated, the changes like Nemo are very helpful, and overall it's a good example of what can be done on Budgie. Glad you like it, hopefully you don't get so comfy you want to switch permanently 
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I think some of this is intentional, and some is just oversight. Ubuntu and it's flavors want to make migrating to desktop Linux easy (for the most part), showing users fewer options usually does that.
Heh, the reason why I find Linux easier at times is the presentation of information. Troubleshooting Windows is pain since it tells the user almost nothing.
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brent A mostly Snap-based distro took some getting my head around, even if they invented the Snap. I looked for documentation justifiying this approach but could find none.
I think that it is important to keep in mind that Canonical is an enterprise-level business, providing Linux solutions across the landscape from cloud to servers to desktop to IOT devices. Ubuntu is a part of the Canonical ecosystem, but not a stand-alone part or even the most important part. Ubuntu is a major product within the Canonical ecosystem, but is designed and intended to work across Canonical product lines and the market segments Canonical serves.
Spend an hour on the Ubuntu website, clicking on each of the major divisions (Enterprise, Development, Community) of that website and poking into the products listed in the divisions, and you will get a glimpse of the scope and range of Ubuntu. Most of us think of Ubuntu as a distro, because that is how we use Ubuntu, but in doing so we are looking at a very small part of what Ubuntu is in reality.
Snaps are a component of the Canonical ecosystem, designed to work with Ubuntu but also with other Canonical products. The genesis of Snaps had little or nothing to do with the desktop or even Ubuntu itself, as a 2019 interview with Martin Wimpress suggests. In the years since 2019, Snaps have developed significantly, but generally in line with the directions hinted at by the interview. The bottom line is that the Snap architecture is intended to be cross-platform within the Linux ecosystem, and Ubuntu's increasing movement towards Snaps is part of a larger picture.
With respect to the Ubuntu desktop, I think that it is relevant that Ubuntu has the lion's share of the Linux desktop market -- roughly 40% of all installs, as I remember. Many/most of those installs are business/corporate/education installs rather than "ordinary home desktop user" installs, but Canonical has an interest in making Ubuntu both secure and relatively easy to adopt and use, as well as keeping maintenance costs (time and money, both) to a minimum. Canonical is moving toward Snaps, in part, because Snaps facilitate Canonical's objectives. My view, anyway.
brent --two clocks on desktop on purpose? Really? What for?
Yeah that's a strange default design choice. Nothing grinds my gears more than redundant desktop elements
tomscharbach but Snaps still suck 
. In all seriousness, Mozilla and Canonical have done a lot of work to make Firefox snap better, and it shows. Hopefully all Snaps will continue to improve, but for now I'll choose native, Flatpak, or source.
Brucehankins On the bright side though, I agree with tomscharbach that UB is a great implementation.
that makes three of us then. this is like rediscovering budgie in some ways before it became hobbled.
Why can't solus budgie alleviate its problems by making Nemo the default and doing whatever ubuntu is doing to ensure complete icon desltop freedom? I did snap list last night and no file manager or desktop elements were snaps programs. I know there's an answer to that question but I forgot it.
Brucehankins Glad you like it, hopefully you don't get so comfy you want to switch permanently
this will always be linux home to me but now that you said that
tomscharbach because Snaps facilitate Canonical's objectives. My view, anyway.
I didn't know it was such a large corporation. things like that always have a mindset and a clear set of objectives to will peruse their parent site.
tomscharbach Brucehankins
what password manager do you use? there's an incredible amount of wild looking ones.
Brucehankins . Hopefully all Snaps will continue to improve, but for now I'll choose native, Flatpak, or source.
I had to go outside the repo to get deb chromium and firefox. I'm trying to keep it all like you said it there^
brent I use the free version of Bitwarden. It's open-source and suits my needs just fine. It also has browser extensions for all the browsers I use and the mobile app isn't terrible.
Never got into the whole "hosting your own" thing, but there are some cool looking ones out there.
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Why can't solus budgie alleviate its problems by making Nemo the default and doing whatever ubuntu is doing to ensure complete icon desltop freedom?
it depends on cinnamon components
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I don't know why Solus sticks with Nautilus.
Nemo is a fork of Nautilus. Nemo forked about a decade ago to keep features of Nautilus 3.4 that were removed from Nautilus in 3.6 and following. Of course, Nemo has been on its own development path since the fork. Nemo has developed into a well-regarded file manager.
Ubuntu Budgie made the decision to cut over from Nautilus to Nemo in 2019 as a result of UB community preference for Nemo. Nemo/Nautilus preference was discussed repeatedly 2017-2019, and sentiment clearly favored Nemo, as Nautilus diminished in comparison.
tomscharbach I don't know why Solus sticks with Nautilus.
There has been on-and-off discussion for years on this and it, iirc, boils down to it's actually not trivial to package because of the things that Nemo depends on and how they all work.
EbonJaeger There has been on-and-off discussion for years on this and it, iirc, boils down to it's actually not trivial to package because of the things that Nemo depends on and how they all work.
it occurred to me after spitballin that the things that plague nautilus now would do the same to nemo
brent the things that plague nautilus now would do the same to nemo
As far as I understand, Nemo has been developed separately from Nautilus for many years now. It may have started out as a fork, but I think it's become its own thing over the years.
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brent it occurred to me after spitballin that the things that plague nautilus now would do the same to nemo
I don't believe that is correct. Nemo forked from Nautilus a decade ago and has developed independently since then. UB 21.10 (Gnome 43 stack, and so on) was released at the end of September, and no Nemo problems have been reported in the UB forum. Nemo remains UB's file manager (see Release Notes), which would not be the case if Nemo were essentially unworkable after the 22.10 update. In short, Nautilus issues are Nautilus issues, not Nemo issues.
tomscharbach I was thinking even if it was feasible that they (devs) did the switcheroo (nautilus/nemo) the things that made the last stack upgrade problematic (and nautilus problematic) would permeate the nemo app as well. I don't know how all the parts interact exactly, hence spitballin. Thanks for the concise answer, you as well @EbonJaeger .