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WetGeek

I'm still amazed at the lengths one might go to, in order to solve a Nautilus problem, when simply installing KDE Plasma would instantly bring relief.

FTFY

      Oh ... of course. By the way, you deliberately misquoted me. Most folks would consider that in bad taste.

          tomscharbach it was a negative reaction. still feel like there was a bit of a hustle regarding curation and 'main' repositories but I am an outsider no doubt. A mostly Snap-based distro took some getting my head around, even if they invented the Snap. I looked for documentation justifiying this approach but could find none. Nemo is identical to Nautilus---thanks for the correction. I looked desperately for an 'about' tab on that app before I posted so there were not any.
          No I like it, I just think too much was obscured for a newcomer going into it.
          Things I love most I usually have a negative reaction to in the beginning.

              WetGeek I'm still amazed at the lengths one might go to, in order to solve a Nautilus problem, when simply installing Dolphin onto ones beloved Solus Budgie would instantly bring relief. And Dolphin would be trivial to remove (if desired) after Nautilus is once again working right.

              Dolphin is not a cure to any problem on Budgie, nor a bandaid or a temporary solution. It's kde software tha belongs on Plasma. As far as lengths, try two months with a non-functional daily File Manager then get back to me on 'lengths.'

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                  WetGeek No, FTFY is an abbreviation of "fixed that for you" and it's used on the internet often in humorous, opinionated and sometimes sarcastic contexts. Some times it's also used in a genuinely helpful manner.

                    brent Dolphin is not a cure to any problem on Budgie

                    Sorry you feel that way. I was trying to help, and didn't understand that.

                        WetGeek caja more of a gtk base but much better suited to Mate.
                        I know you were trying to help. for some budgies it works. for others it unleashes k-baloo which wreaks enormous havoc on the system. it can go either way

                            brent for some budgies it works. for others it unleashes k-baloo

                            I think I understand now. My only experience with Dolphin on Budgie has been on my Budgie VM, where it works quite well. Maybe if I used Budgie as a daily-driver, I'd have the same objection.

                              brent I just think too much was obscured for a newcomer going into it.

                              I think some of this is intentional, and some is just oversight. Ubuntu and it's flavors want to make migrating to desktop Linux easy (for the most part), showing users fewer options usually does that.
                              Think about the Windows Store and the App Store on Mac, you get one option for software. Can you go out and get your own from the web, absolutely. But for the "new" or "average" user who at this point probably grew up in the mobile space, that's where they're going to go. In this way, Ubuntu is trying to mirror that process and make installing, updating, and finding software as easy and GUI driven as they can.
                              It can be a pain for software not in the repos though, having to add PPAs, manually download and install .deb files, and manage updates or removals.
                              On the bright side though, I agree with tomscharbach that UB is a great implementation. Aside from snaps, the themes are well thought out and integrated, the changes like Nemo are very helpful, and overall it's a good example of what can be done on Budgie. Glad you like it, hopefully you don't get so comfy you want to switch permanently 😉.

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                                    Brucehankins

                                    I think some of this is intentional, and some is just oversight. Ubuntu and it's flavors want to make migrating to desktop Linux easy (for the most part), showing users fewer options usually does that.

                                    Heh, the reason why I find Linux easier at times is the presentation of information. Troubleshooting Windows is pain since it tells the user almost nothing.

                                      brent A mostly Snap-based distro took some getting my head around, even if they invented the Snap. I looked for documentation justifiying this approach but could find none.

                                      I think that it is important to keep in mind that Canonical is an enterprise-level business, providing Linux solutions across the landscape from cloud to servers to desktop to IOT devices. Ubuntu is a part of the Canonical ecosystem, but not a stand-alone part or even the most important part. Ubuntu is a major product within the Canonical ecosystem, but is designed and intended to work across Canonical product lines and the market segments Canonical serves.

                                      Spend an hour on the Ubuntu website, clicking on each of the major divisions (Enterprise, Development, Community) of that website and poking into the products listed in the divisions, and you will get a glimpse of the scope and range of Ubuntu. Most of us think of Ubuntu as a distro, because that is how we use Ubuntu, but in doing so we are looking at a very small part of what Ubuntu is in reality.

                                      Snaps are a component of the Canonical ecosystem, designed to work with Ubuntu but also with other Canonical products. The genesis of Snaps had little or nothing to do with the desktop or even Ubuntu itself, as a 2019 interview with Martin Wimpress suggests. In the years since 2019, Snaps have developed significantly, but generally in line with the directions hinted at by the interview. The bottom line is that the Snap architecture is intended to be cross-platform within the Linux ecosystem, and Ubuntu's increasing movement towards Snaps is part of a larger picture.

                                      With respect to the Ubuntu desktop, I think that it is relevant that Ubuntu has the lion's share of the Linux desktop market -- roughly 40% of all installs, as I remember. Many/most of those installs are business/corporate/education installs rather than "ordinary home desktop user" installs, but Canonical has an interest in making Ubuntu both secure and relatively easy to adopt and use, as well as keeping maintenance costs (time and money, both) to a minimum. Canonical is moving toward Snaps, in part, because Snaps facilitate Canonical's objectives. My view, anyway.

                                          brent --two clocks on desktop on purpose? Really? What for?

                                          Yeah that's a strange default design choice. Nothing grinds my gears more than redundant desktop elements

                                            tomscharbach but Snaps still suck 😄. In all seriousness, Mozilla and Canonical have done a lot of work to make Firefox snap better, and it shows. Hopefully all Snaps will continue to improve, but for now I'll choose native, Flatpak, or source.

                                                Brucehankins On the bright side though, I agree with tomscharbach that UB is a great implementation.

                                                that makes three of us then. this is like rediscovering budgie in some ways before it became hobbled.
                                                Why can't solus budgie alleviate its problems by making Nemo the default and doing whatever ubuntu is doing to ensure complete icon desltop freedom? I did snap list last night and no file manager or desktop elements were snaps programs. I know there's an answer to that question but I forgot it.

                                                Brucehankins Glad you like it, hopefully you don't get so comfy you want to switch permanently 😉.

                                                this will always be linux home to me but now that you said that

                                                tomscharbach because Snaps facilitate Canonical's objectives. My view, anyway.

                                                I didn't know it was such a large corporation. things like that always have a mindset and a clear set of objectives to will peruse their parent site.

                                                tomscharbach Brucehankins
                                                what password manager do you use? there's an incredible amount of wild looking ones.

                                                            Brucehankins . Hopefully all Snaps will continue to improve, but for now I'll choose native, Flatpak, or source.

                                                            I had to go outside the repo to get deb chromium and firefox. I'm trying to keep it all like you said it there^

                                                              brent I use the free version of Bitwarden. It's open-source and suits my needs just fine. It also has browser extensions for all the browsers I use and the mobile app isn't terrible.
                                                              Never got into the whole "hosting your own" thing, but there are some cool looking ones out there.