Brucehankins because Budgie is independently developed,

Budgie is independently developed now, but until quite recently and for the entirety of its existence was tied to Solus.

Personally I prefer Solus Budgie but as stated by everyone else it's a matter of personal preference.

It comes down to whether you want to be able to use .deb files or not.

I prefer Solus' stability over Ubuntu's user base. I find Solus to have everything I need. Ubuntu, on the other hand, has repos full of outdated and unmaintained software.

I have broken every single installation of Ubuntu anything eventually. However I have run the same installation of Solus since 2019 (without reinstalling) and have never run into an issue which I was not able to fix, no matter the severity.

In closing.. Solus Budgie is my preferred version of the Desktop Environment because I prefer Solus. If I -had- to use another version of Budgie, I would switch to Manjaro Budgie. The Budgie applets are a bit more customizable and I like Manjaro.

Just a matter of personal preference.

Btw.. from what I understand Fedora is coming out with a version of Budgie called 'Fudgie'. Fedora has the best implementation of Gnome out there and I would be interested to see what Budgie is like on that distro.

      jrsilvey I prefer Solus Budgie but as stated by everyone else it's a matter of personal preference. It comes down to whether you want to be able to use .deb files or not.

      Yes it does, although as Flathub grows over time, I think that the importance of deb files will lessen for Solus.

      Case in point: I tested (and then used extensively) Ubuntu Budgie LTS 22.04 because Edge was released in deb/rpm, requiring me to build a private eopkg to use Edge on Solus. That was not a long term, sustainable solution for me.

      Edge was released as a Flatpak earlier this month. I installed the Flatpak several days ago, it seems to work fine, and I no longer thinking about moving to Ubuntu Budgie at the end of the year (my personal deadline for a Flatpak solution).

      I prefer the Solus OS layer to the Ubuntu OS layer, for reasons discussed in this and other threads, and am glad to be able to look forward to using Solus going forward. Ubuntu Budgie is an excellent implementation of the Budgie DE layer, though, and that's a fact.

          tomscharbach Edge was released as a Flatpak earlier this month.

          I haven't figured out how to get it to block trackers and third-party cookies. I'm sure I'm missing some settings. Any ideas?

              WetGeek I haven't figured out how to get it to block trackers and third-party cookies. I'm sure I'm missing some settings. Any ideas?

              No ideas, but here's how:

              Third-Party Cookies:
              Settings > Cookies and Site Permissions > Manage and delete cookies and site data > Block Third Party Cookies

              Trackers:
              Settings > Privacy, Search and Services > Tracking Prevention > [set to] Strict

              You can go a lot further in terms of custom drill down settings, but those are the basics.

                  tomscharbach Yes it does, although as Flathub grows over time, I think that the importance of deb files will lessen for Solus.

                  that's an astute observation and I'm beginning to think its a blessing and a curse.
                  curse: over-reliance of loosely? barely?-cve-curated Flathub programs will be Linux' trojan horse I predict and I'm as guilty as anyone of depending on them.
                  curse: not finding a practical open source way to make .deb/.rpm accessible to the non-deb/rpm community without compiling a program onself (that is not an intuitive endeavour for me personally)...and thats if the developers/creators offer the targz.
                  blessing of flathub: instant gratification. I couldn't find a GUI password manager that worked for me in our repo and I didn't have the brain for the CLI ones in our repo. Flatpak to the rescue.

                      brent Flatpaks are wrapped applications. Nothing is added or deleted, nor is the application's code changed. If the application sucks, the wrapped application will still suck, and vice a versus.

                          brent I have to imagine more useful flathub programs will be put into the repository eventually (or if demand is enough).

                          The rest puts it on parity with windows (including disappointment), and gives developers better access without as much of a hassle in maintaining (passed on to a few windows specific developers that maybe it might be a good idea to sell something that is flatpak compatible).

                              brent my concerns were purely the app's state before wrapping

                              Yup, well, that's a problem. Linux has about ten times as many applications as makes sense, and way too many of them are poorly designed, indifferently maintained, outdated, and possibly insecure. I stick with mainstream applications for that reason.

                                  qsl I have to imagine more useful flathub programs will be put into the repository eventually ...

                                  That may be true for FOSS applications, but it is not true for proprietary and semi-proprietary applications. In the past, those applications (e.g. Android Studio, Bitwig Studio, Gitkracken, Chrome, Mendeley, Skype, Slack, Spotify, Plex and Viber) were packaged into the "Third Party" repository, but that is no longer the case. The Third Party repository is closed.

                                    tomscharbach qsl thanks for responding. I think it goes back to perception.
                                    Solus, for instance, dedicated crew, good-sized repo, and they are proud and stand by their curated apps they offer. Probably a lot of distros this way (not AUR obviously).
                                    They call third-party apps "third party" with the disclaimer it didn't originate with them, you've been warned.
                                    A vaguer warning comes with Flat/Snap/Appimages...a distro doesn't claim them as their own, but offers these "repos" or "stores" as auxiliary packages, mostly open source and generally reliable.

                                    So the with this perception of mine, when I began with solus way back when I thought NEVER step outside the repo. Then we all wind up stepping outside the repo, baby steps, but my comfort level does not ever improve outside of Solus' curation. Although we all have to do it for something. I have a few.

                                    • qsl replied to this.

                                          brent One of the big impediments (well, at least for me) to using linux in general is those niche programs that either there isn't a good linux replacement (still can't find an acceptable replacement for IDDM, for instance) or are too much of a pain to use in linux (numerous audio programs that are just... no).

                                          I actually think this plays to Solus's favor, allowing them to play to their strengths (again) without being overburdened with maintaining the flavor of the month or niche applications, and also giving better access to developers who are proprietary/profit driven with an easy product to sell that doesn't have to contend with the peculiarities of each distribution.

                                          This is why flatpak was mandatory distribution criteria for me (and I hope in flourishes).

                                              brent

                                              Flatpaks are fine for right now.. but the real fear I have is that Microsoft will buy the Snapcraft Store. That would really suck.

                                                  jrsilvey I use one snap btw and it kills me because snaps constantly break in Solus. I don't know if it's a Solus thing or a Snap thing. But anyway I hate Snaps.

                                                  I have no idea, but Ubuntu is pushing toward Snaps across the board. In Ubuntu Budgie, even Firefox is a Snap.

                                                  jrsilvey [T]he real fear I have is that Microsoft will buy the Snapcraft Store

                                                  Microsoft and Canonical seem to be moving closer and closer in recent years. I don't know whether Microsoft will buy Canonical or the Snapcraft store, but I suspect that it won't be too long before Microsoft develops official versions of cross-platform applications (e.g. Edge) as Snaps. The Flatpak is an unofficial wrap not supported by Microsoft.

                                                  qsl One of the big impediments (well, at least for me) to using linux in general is those niche programs that either there isn't a good linux replacement ...

                                                  I have the same issue. Although the primary reason I use Windows 11 on my laptops is that Linux power/battery management is still inadequate (70% of Windows, and 3-5 F higher outside case temperature), the secondary reason is that I have searched high and low for Linux replacements for niche applications I use on the road (e.g. MyRadar), without success.

                                                  qsl I actually think this plays to Solus's favor, allowing them to play to their strengths (again) without being overburdened with maintaining the flavor of the month or niche applications, and also giving better access to developers who are proprietary/profit driven with an easy product to sell that doesn't have to contend with the peculiarities of each distribution.

                                                  I agree, particularly when it comes to proprietary and semi-proprietary applications. I hope that it won't be too long before the Third Party repository becomes redundant. It already is for about a dozen of the applications listed.

                                                          jrsilvey Snaps constantly break everywhere. Canonical is working to improve them, and they are making great strides, but it still sucks. With help from (mostly entirely done by) Mozilla, the Firefox snap has went from an 18 second cold start to a 8 second cold start over the past year or so. Other snaps don't get the same attention, so they're still plagued with performance issues.
                                                          I don't know that MS taking over the snap project would change much honestly. Adoption of snaps has been pretty stagnant, and we see Ubuntu based distros ditching snaps for native file formats for flatpak apps more and more. I think the opinion of Canonical doesn't help here, almost as much as the poor performance of snaps.

                                                            5 months later

                                                            UBUNTU 20.04 BUDGIE CONS---
                                                            --software center a hot mess between gnome sc and synaptic. both "main" repos that show you software marked "UNSAFE" and then give you the install button and package approval. how responsible is that? I didn't bother with the other two or three repos.
                                                            --thoroughly shady by pushing snaps as your first choice---, some kind of crooked deal here. snaps integrate into Plank. Flatpaks do not. Ehhh. My Flats don't make it to app menu surprise the Snaps do. Nothing weird there...Flatpaks are the #2 thing they push on you. DEB OH DEB FILE wherefore art thou? ("NOWHERE" echo echo echo) Sus/ as the kids say.. Ubuntu Budgie does not offer deb files for FF and Chromium....they sell Chromium in their SC as "a deb installed with Snap." wth? a debian distro without deb packages for the big apps????
                                                            Me at Canonical office revamp: "Could you tell me what it is exactly that you do here?"
                                                            UBU/DEB: 8 ways to skin a cat
                                                            SOLUS: 2-3 ways to skin a cat---much preferable. (when you lessen the variables for failure rather than kitchen-sinking the variables...)
                                                            --biggest complaint: appearance of a dishonest ethos, sensibility, and vision. Or at least one where priorities were decided by way too many knuckleheads. When you get used to Solus' honesty and simplicity this is really hard. I've been around long enough to know that .deb packages are the foundation of debian distros, not Snap. It's like they are embarrassed by .debs now....
                                                            --two clocks on desktop on purpose? Really? What for?
                                                            --dpkg and apt are the same commands? why? what for? why not one?

                                                            20.0.4 PLUSES:
                                                            --totally AWESOME implementation of Budgie. Edge: Solus but past tense
                                                            --can install outside .deb packages easy instead of hassling with targz or source code (again, get used to getting your debs outside ubu...)
                                                            --Nautilus is default file manager and is fully functional
                                                            --In this Budgie I can move my desktop files wherever I want them
                                                            --last but not least it's Budgie!
                                                            --I'd have to say a millisecond slower than Solus but this is negligible
                                                            --retained gedit and gnome-disks as defaults. these are superior to me
                                                            --I like gnome-terminal but default Tilix is very similar
                                                            --printer and scanner detected, drivers no hassle but some work.
                                                            edit:--can use open source nouveau drivers here. usually I need NVIDIAs everywhere I go including solus...I know that has to do with the chemistry of hardware parts and nothing else

                                                            shooting from hip with little knowledge of Deb or Ubu history (except telemetry scandal way back), 6 hours straight of being in Ubu Budgie/

                                                            this feels like I'm dancing with the devil. I don't want to feel that way. there is so much recklessness in their philosophy compared to Solus. but the Budgie experience I craved is back and incredible here.
                                                            booting back into Mate now.
                                                            I got Ubuntu Budgie ready for daily use. It's not a matter of cutting the cord with Solus. I can do that. I only want a fully functional Budgie. But man when I log out of here I feel I need a shower. that's never happened before.
                                                            My opinion may change tomorrow. But I can say with confidence we got it good at Solus.