Building An Alternative Ecosystem

the "terminology" terminal in enlightenment is a real nice terminal. You should consider using it.
Just my 0,02$ Using EFL is going to be a big challenge but I'm sure Solus team is up to the task.

What do you say about fyne-toolkit?
https://fyne.io

synth-ruiner So, as a long time Go developer, I think most of the flack it gets is either a misunderstanding or no longer valid.

Error handling in Go is explicit because the alternative is Exceptions which tend to encourage passing an error on to upper layers in a non-obvious way, when often the problem can be handled immediately and better in the context of where it was first encountered. Coming from years of Java and C++ development, Exceptions are much harder to reason about and can be maddening to track down the source without good tooling.

Package management in Go was largely solved with the introduction of Go Modules. Before that, the biggest problem was many competing solutions that were cumbersome and problematic when crossing from one project to another. Most Go projects have standardized on modules now which has been a godsend for the rest of us. The only real complexity left there is multiple-versioning of modules with the same major version and that's just a matter of time.

Garbage collection hasn't been a problem in Go for a really long time. Most garbage collection happens asynchronously and the stop-the-world pauses are sub-millisecond in most cases now. Nowhere near disruptive enough to cause problems. Let's also realize that C++ used to be garbage collected and that Java still is, both having no problems at all handling GUI without freezing things.

George As far as Fyne itself is concerned I think it's a decent start at a Go toolkit, but I'm not really fond of its insistence on following Material Design principles. That tends to lead to UI which have too much space where they don't need it and not enough space where they do. I also think there's a tendency to not have enough contrast between colors which is bad for accessibility.

DataDrake thanks for the comprehensive reply! I agree that exceptions are terrible and that explicitly checking for errors is the right way to do things, it's just that I'm a bit spoilt by Rust and its nice Option and Result types, match expressions and stuff like that. maybe there are similarly nice expressions in Go but I'm a newbie and don't know much

like I said, I wasn't actually sure if garbage collection would be a problem, so I'm glad to hear it's totally negligible.

+1 for the accessibility issues of material design, too - most of the visual elements we traditionally use to hint at interactivity get stripped away, like bevelled buttons, scrollbars and such.

Just to extend the list of available toolkits: I stumbled across ImGui in a tweet of John Carmack. There seems to be a sufficient number of maintainers and some "big" sponsors. Unfortunately, this is a toolkit for C++ and as Josh mentioned in his post, C++ is not an option. But maybe it could be interesting for people here who needs a lighter GUI toolkit for C++ than Qt.

Hello All.
After reading the original post, I decided to write here because the situation worries me.
The fact is that the Solus distribution is also used by blind users. Although there are currently accessibility issues, Solus is the best of today's distributions for the blind. But if users used to install only Solus-MATE, recently, people are starting to be interested in Budgie, as accessibility in this work environment has improved.
So I want to ask: Please keep accessible.
Personally, I use MATE because this environment is currently the most accessible for blind users, but I know for sure that other users are interested in Budgie (particularly, from time to time, Budgie is discussed in the Orca mailing list).
I would also like to take this opportunity to thank Solus. This is a great distribution that is the best in everything. So I would like Solus to be the best in terms of accessibility.
Sorry for my bad English.

Is cutefish QT based?

Fixed some issues and installed on bare metal. Cutefish looks so good

and dark-mode on

looking great

Folks, let's try to keep this thread on topic please. Other distros should generally be discussed in off-topic threads.

Good to see, that you're planning a solid way forward.

Having opted for the Gnome edition years ago because I found myself configuring budgie to feel a little more the Gnome way - the way I was used to, I am happy to move to budgie if Gnome will be discontinued especially since Gnome 4x was apparently developed without a lot of end user involvement, now lacking key 3rd party features. I fully agree with your statement regarding Gnome "...that does not (in our opinion) provide the most optimized experience for laptop and desktop users".

Please provide a migration path for current Gnome edition users.

Make sure you have an application panel like "Dash-to-Dock" in place when you release it and you'll make many current Gnome users happy, I think.

From a marketing perspective, I'd suggest to stop calling budgie a more "traditional" desktop - sounds like "old fashioned" to me which doesn't apply. How about putting attributes like intuitive, lean, modern, efficient, responsive in the foreground to underline its progressive nature.

Add UI step-by-step programming totorials (for low, medium, high skill levels) to the solus webpage so developers find it easy to develop applications based on the new Ecosystem.

Oh, I am sure, I can find a spare SSD to support testing and assume you'll make an announcement, when you need people to support testing.