Building An Alternative Ecosystem

PreyK

Very well written!
It’s always just the drama with gnome stuff.
They have a very strict idea on how I should use my desktop, I think I’d rather not.
Super excited for budgie11!

PerfMonk

LarryDC I use EliveOS with E24 and it still have some ruff edges. Both version 16 & 24 are available but the core of elive users are mostly E16. E24 has a lot nicer configuration tool and personally I prefer E24. But I would say that if you want to use wayland it is not very stable yet. I hope it gets better soon because wayland is going to be necessary for the future. There seems to be possibility that EFL could use Wayfire under wayland (wayfire is Compiz rewritten for Wayland).
Regards,
Bernard

bmivzkrp

Hello All.
After reading the original post, I decided to write here because the situation worries me.
The fact is that the Solus distribution is also used by blind users. Although there are currently accessibility issues, Solus is the best of today's distributions for the blind. But if users used to install only Solus-MATE, recently, people are starting to be interested in Budgie, as accessibility in this work environment has improved.
So I want to ask: Please keep accessible.
Personally, I use MATE because this environment is currently the most accessible for blind users, but I know for sure that other users are interested in Budgie (particularly, from time to time, Budgie is discussed in the Orca mailing list).
I would also like to take this opportunity to thank Solus. This is a great distribution that is the best in everything. So I would like Solus to be the best in terms of accessibility.
Sorry for my bad English.

WhiteWolf

I know Solus main focus is dark theme but will there be an option for white one also?
I'm playing with CuteFish and it looks amazing.

Possibility of changing terminal transparency by your taste is really nice 🙂

seanragout

Is cutefish QT based?

nolan

seems like it is

FishUI is a GUI library based on QQC2 (Qt Quick Controls 2), every Cutefish application uses it.

source:https://github.com/cutefishos/fishui

WhiteWolf

Fixed some issues and installed on bare metal. Cutefish looks so good 😄

and dark-mode on

nolan

looking great

DataDrake

Folks, let's try to keep this thread on topic please. Other distros should generally be discussed in off-topic threads.

skib

Good to see, that you're planning a solid way forward.

Having opted for the Gnome edition years ago because I found myself configuring budgie to feel a little more the Gnome way - the way I was used to, I am happy to move to budgie if Gnome will be discontinued especially since Gnome 4x was apparently developed without a lot of end user involvement, now lacking key 3rd party features. I fully agree with your statement regarding Gnome "...that does not (in our opinion) provide the most optimized experience for laptop and desktop users".

Please provide a migration path for current Gnome edition users.

Make sure you have an application panel like "Dash-to-Dock" in place when you release it and you'll make many current Gnome users happy, I think.

From a marketing perspective, I'd suggest to stop calling budgie a more "traditional" desktop - sounds like "old fashioned" to me which doesn't apply. How about putting attributes like intuitive, lean, modern, efficient, responsive in the foreground to underline its progressive nature.

Add UI step-by-step programming totorials (for low, medium, high skill levels) to the solus webpage so developers find it easy to develop applications based on the new Ecosystem.

Oh, I am sure, I can find a spare SSD to support testing and assume you'll make an announcement, when you need people to support testing.

JoshStrobl

skib Make sure you have an application panel like "Dash-to-Dock" in place when you release it and you'll make many current Gnome users happy, I think.

We've had a Dock mode for the panel for years, so that's already addressed.

I'd suggest to stop calling budgie a more "traditional" desktop - sounds like "old fashioned" to me which doesn't apply.

I mean you can think of it however you like, but the reality is compared to other desktop environments like GNOME, Pantheon, or even macOS, Budgie does follow a more traditional metaphor. That doesn't make it old fashion no more than, for example, Plasma, which also follows a traditional metaphor.

How about putting attributes like intuitive, lean, modern, efficient, responsive in the foreground to underline its progressive nature.

It isn't lean or efficient though, that's one of the main problems with it leveraging Mutter, other software developed by GNOME, and it being mostly written in Vala. It'd be dishonest marketing. Our Experiences page on the Solus site pitches it as "A feature-rich, luxurious desktop using the most modern technologies." and the GitHub repo pitches it as "a feature-rich, modern desktop designed to keep out the way of the user" - both already using "modern".

Add UI step-by-step programming totorials (for low, medium, high skill levels) to the solus webpage so developers find it easy to develop applications based on the new Ecosystem.

My intent is to have a new Budgie website, not have it be part of the Solus website, as Budgie is distro-agnostic. A "step-by-step" or introduction would also be more appropriate for being built into Budgie.

fulmen

JoshStrobl We've had a Dock mode for the panel for years, so that's already addressed.

The Dock mode doesn't quite do it for me which is why I run with Plank as a dock. It might work if you have small icons but as soon as it gets bigger, the scaling is not perfect.

In any case, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it

Axios

It seems to be a trend nowdays and its spilling over into linux these companies changing and not really listen take what we give been reading alot of posts here on the direction of solus. I use budgie had and have my battles with it
on and off. Recently set up gnome for family member didnt use it ended up with it so thought i would put it through its paces had some hiccups to gnome 41 I dont like version changes and stuff that you had been using doesnt work specially when theme is envolved (gnome extensions) Plus my recent adventure with shotcut I finally realised the issues around the themes and qt apps and gtk . Gnome i think is prob a great get your feet wet distro for new ppl great where you can just use it and it works and doesnt need changed alot for someone. Budgie I think could take its place If some careful thought goes into it and provide some good user experience plus not be overly complicated for someone and some the issues that go on now with the two distros are not repeated with it and ease of updates dont turn into a major ordeal for users and programmers.(after reading posts and his website i think josh is prob on target) I think whatever you use efl it needs to provide a good look I have a hard time with the washed out old time linux look prob what you call flat look nowdays. All in all solus prob been the most stable still havent got my asus tablet running fedora updated it went out to lunch on this gnome crap..lol ( just some input and rambling..lol)

JoshStrobl

Axios Paragraphs bud, they are your friend.

Axios

Man I just read that got stop the 3am cant sleep stuff...Sorry makes crapy reading.

[deleted]

So, to my understanding Solus will ship vanilla GNOME on Gnome Edition ? I am interested in it. As a casual user, I like how Adwaita looks and its Icons looks carefully crafted.

YuriTheHenrique

[deleted] Yup, that's exactly what Gnome devs always planned, and that's what will happen...

talbergor

Will the upgrade to the alternative eco system go smooth or you recommend re-install?

JoshStrobl

talbergor Well there is two ways of looking at the alternative ecosystem:

Shipping non-GNOME applications instead of GNOME applications on ISOs out-of-the-box.
An EFL-based Budgie with specific applications tailored to Budgie, primarily a dedicated control center.

In the case of #1, this does not affect existing users. We do not make it a habit of changing people's defaults through packaging mechanisms (like package replacing), though sometimes it is necessary for the sustainability of that specific experience (for example, changing from Plata to Materia GTK Theme for Solus GNOME Edition). A re-install is overkill, as we are just talking about applications. The simple removal of an application and installation of the alternative is generally sufficient, and can be done at any point by the user, not just when we ship something in an ISO. Just as how you can choose between different browsers based on what you opt to install, uninstall, and simply use, the same could be said for the applications that would ship OOTB on the main Solus image and possibly Solus GNOME Edition.

In the case of #2, this would be delivered as a normal update when the time comes. The budgie-desktop package would get updated and its control center / settings application would be installed by making it a runtime dependency of a branding package that is already on the system.

Lucien_Lachance

JoshStrobl

Lucien_Lachance Video wasn't terrible though I do wish there was a broader list of sources rather than basically: 1) me as a single sentence from literally the entire blog post 2) elementary devs which are pro-libadwaita/libhandy 3) a developer literally paid to work on GNOME 4) someone that has historically been contracted to port various GNOME apps to libhandy. 5) Yaru developer, where Yaru is already based on Adwaita so it wouldn't be affected to begin with. No words from the Plasma folks on how this will actually hurt the work they've done for years on making GTK applications feel as good as possible under KDE. Nothing from other desktop vendors (Pop, MATE, XFCE, etc.)

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