WhiteWolf I'm with you. The reason I do not or would not buy Lenovo - owned by the Chinese version of NSA. Not saying MS, Dell or anyone else doesn't allow backdoors or actively collects info. I have some, albeit limited, legal recourse in the US, none in China. Also, I just like when things are built (mostly) local - big fan of System76.

Axios Thanks..I might try the App. I've taken above recommendations and started testing Vivaldi for daily use on my laptop - right now, feels clunky. I've been using FF for what seems to be an eternity but also starts to feel clunky and there is always so much drama at the Mozilla foundation.

Well, until then, let's see what Vivaldi brings...

        jppelt While I was unhappy that IBM was not picky about who bought them out, I still love Lenovo. I enjoy their older desktop thinkcentres the most. These are very well-built workhorses. Because I prefer to buy used Lenovos I can't upgrade my firmware or hardware since I am not the owner of record (of the serial #) and at their website they only deal with owner of record (last time I tried). So there are not the tentacles you allude to.
        Perhaps owning Lenovo new is different? I don't want to speak out of turn.

        edit: yes I know I am off topic on a thread that went off topic many posts ago. I'm sorry.

          Wow guess there will always be a browser War!!...lol

          Been having trouble with firefox lately couldnt exactly figure why then was led to it by an extension update and further research it was (Nano-Adblock) its not in mozilla extensions anymore just for google chrome BUT! because of the new developers and code they added its now classified as (Malware) so please delete it in both chrome and firefox or do your own research if you use it. I have got decide what problems it could have caused now. Going back to old trusted ublock..lol
          (P.s. kinda went along with the post in here just thought I would mention it)

            Axios thanks for the tip. i have an adblock in FF but unsure it's Nano---nano is the creator or official name?
            PS--umatrix also a beast

                Solarmass Axios took me a long time to see if i had the right adblocker. I just have "adblock"---non-nano.
                Nano defender exists in the FF extensions store. Nano adblocker does not exist in this store. Sigh of relief. Appreciate the research of you both.

                    tomscharbach In one of the podcast I listen they invited some devs from Edge the reason they aren't shipping Edge to many distros, packages format, is because as this is still a Beta (it's actually more like an alpha) they would like not to have fragmentation in the start, more packages, more distros, more maintenance and developers or resources they will need.

                    They are not willing to afford this until there is an opportunity of demand and growth.

                    I truly understand their decision, Linux community has been really negatle about Edge coming here...

                        brent Nano-Adblock was an fork of ublock the reason nano-defender is still listed it works with ublock
                        https://www.ghacks.net/2020/10/16/time-to-remove-nano-adblocker-and-defender-from-your-browsers-except-firefox/
                        But I would remove both if anyone has it installed!!!! I just went back to Ublock without issue Used it for years went to Nano used it for years until now. I had issuess with facebook but from reading above site I know why but not sure if it was unloading from memory as computer runs better now and i havent done anything else. Sure I am safe now..But all was strange. (Haha if i could read sometimes didnt notice that was same link solarmass posted..lol)

                          JoshStrobl I'm using Vivaldi now. F2 function is killer - then again, I like the Albert app too. A little overwhelming at first but the tiling, notes, and everything else just 'fits.' I removed Firefox and Brave. Stopped distro hopping with Solus. Stopped browser hopping with Vivaldi. Thanks!

                            jeremymolina Thanks for the information about the podcast. I agree with Mcrosoft's decision.

                            Unless you heard something to the contrary in the podcast, though, I doubt that Microsoft will expand release beyond .deb and .rpm packages once a Stable verison is released, unless it does so by issuing Snap/Flatpack Stable releases.

                            Like you, I suspect that very few Linux users will be interested in Edge, unless the users are operating in a mixed W10/Linux environment, most likely in a business or enterprise environment. Accordingly, I can't think of a good business reason why Microsoft would move beyond the business/enterprise customer base (Canonical, RedHat, SUSE) with respect to Edge on Linux. The cost/benefit just isn't there.

                            I like Edge, through, so I'll hope for a Snap or Flatpak release in time.

                                tomscharbach and jeremymolina -

                                this conversation regarding the business end of how these things work was interesting, thank you both.
                                I think at the end of the day any Linux opposition to Edge will be split regarding "is it linux functional or buggy?" vs. philosophical. Personally I'm the second one but to act on principal is a devalued and aniquated thing these days.

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                                    Wow, so much postings. So Iet me put in my two cents.
                                    No one says anything about privacy when surfing in the net. It's the core business of Google, all (un)social media platforms to gather as much metadata as they can get from you. And M$ is one of those as well.
                                    a browser should show you the tracking activities when you open some site.

                                      [deleted] I don't subscribe to your point of view ecause it completely lacks nuance: A major difference between Google and Microsoft is that Google business model is based on the monetization of personal data while Microsoft incomes comes from selling subscriptions and licenses. The biggest problem regarding Privacy with Microsoft is that it that it openly collaborate with governments and grant them access to personal data without controlling if their request is legitimate or not.

                                          [deleted] kyrios Like you said, Google earns it's revenue primarily off of advertising and Microsoft is building around recurring revenue packages. Two very different business models that take differing approaches to data privacy. It also seems to me that the companies like Google, Facebook, and others are always one step ahead of the browsers. Cookies are blocked, it can break a web page, or they have other ways to perform digital fingerprinting. It seems like you have to go to great lengths to obtain any small amount of anonymity.

                                          Off-topic, I think an option that should be discussed is data portability and the right for the product (us) to monetize that information.

                                                Brucehankins Anonymity online is a lure. A good practice is to consider that everything you post on the net is public. This being said, it is not hard to configure some mitigations. Blocking ads, tracking and 3rd party cookies, running social networks in containered tabs, not using facebook/google/etc. account to login everywhere, isn't hard to do.
                                                You can go one step forward and block refferers, CDN, etc... replace yous ISP DNS but DNS that don't keep logs and possibly implement DNSSec, use a VPN, etc... Up to you to decide up to where you'd like to go.

                                                By the way this isn't very different from the real world... Nowadays most payments are electronics, people have loyalty cards, you can't book annonymous flight tickets, CCTV systems operate in many places, radars on the roads, etc.

                                                  Brucehankins the companies mentioned live from targeted advertising, the more you tell about yourself, the better the advertising for each individual, therefore, tell about yourself as little as possible, always think about what I'm going to put on the www---- I don't need Edge my FF serves me well

                                                    WetGeek ...there's very little chance that the CCP is interested in my browsing data... You'd be surprised.