Axios I got to find me that tool.---according to your source and another I just read it's native to xfce and is either stock or in repo. Thank you!

      Ya we know what it is just not sure how solus xfce does stuff I didnt run it long enuf.

        brent I got to find me that tool.

        Let us know if you locate it. I'm headed to bed in a few minutes, and I still have stuff to do first, but I'll look for a post from you when I get up in the morning.

        Now that I knew what to look for, I noticed it was present when the dock was on the bottom, too, but just lost as part of the background picture.

          Axios I will give the WMT a whirl tomorrow. I did not know that was a well known thang.
          edit: @WetGeek

          thanks both

          PS --it's Beta I should not be griping.

              brent I will give the WMT a whirl tomorrow.

              Looks like I beat you to it.

              Indeed, it's available in solus. Just launch the GUI settings manager, and you'll see it right away. No need to install anything. And I can confirm that it works like a charm.

                  WetGeek did you get rid of your plank line with this settings manager?

                      brent did you get rid of your plank line with this settings manager?

                      Indeed. You can toggle it on and off using that "Show shadows under dock windows" setting. Lotsa fun!

                          WetGeek thanks for corroborating and investigating (you too @Axios ) on my behalf, It's appreciated.
                          Look forward to using XFCE again.
                          (I wish I didn't need Plank and could live with the panel but I couldn't make it as uniform and neat as Budgie's and/or lost patience. Plank and XFCE seem a good fit.)

                              brent Plank and XFCE seem a good fit.

                              For sure. Given Xfce's lack of an icon-only task manager applet for the panel, the Plank dock takes on a lot more importance. It took me less than a day to decide to implement it once I began configuring Xfce.

                              If we could just make some progress on the issue that's keeping Xfce from using Bluetooth keyboards, I'd use it as a daily driver for an extended time. That's the best way to learn the DE and its capabilities well, and I've developed a strong appreciation for Solus' Xfce implementation.

                                Axios @WetGeek

                                unchecked 'shadows under dock' and all looks normal. will ask them to close the ticket at devtracker. thanks again.

                                    brent Addendum: I did close this issue in Devtracker.

                                      brent Its no prob its stress relief for me believe it or not and I enjoy it

                                      Note I know it was prob set as a default but I found compositors can do some strange things and its hard to
                                      Understand some of them at least for me at times.
                                      So I made it a point if it works dont mess with it..

                                          Axios Its no prob its stress relief for me believe it or not and I enjoy it

                                          I believe it, me too some nights. Compositors are strange things I agree. at least maybe when it's not Beta they will fix stuff like that. I hope we are doing some good!

                                            @WetGeek re: your xfce devtracker bug

                                            I have noticed this too. on flatpak stuff (that's why I didn't open my own) but in-house stuff too. just can't recall. I have quogir dark set as well. and another stock theme same thing happened.

                                            for me it's kinda weirder/worse. I can force some apps to a dark theme but not the dark theme I chose..it always goes darker.

                                            so instead of bright white and quogir checkerboard theme that you got....mine is a bunch of mismatched blacks....mostly,
                                            (maybe I need the 'force all' power of gnome-settings/gnome control center whatever it is I forgot.)

                                            not ready for prime time yet, I admire your daily driver diligence. I tried really hard to make it past 3 days, all day, but hiccups for me. I still love it and hope it gets ironed out. it's special in the Solus canon

                                            brent Plank and XFCE seem a good fit.

                                            Today I found out a neat function of Plank by accident. I was intending to increase the size of the text in Terminology on a Budgie VM using CTRL+(mousewheel), but my mouse pointer happened to be on the Plank at the bottom of that screen. Instead of the terminal text becoming larger, the Plank and its launcher icons did. So I scrolled up and down a bit, and the Plank enlarged and shrunk accordingly.

                                            I moved the mouse pointer away from the Plank, and I was once more able to adjust Terminology's font size.

                                                5 days later

                                                WetGeek
                                                thanks to recent updates I was able to spend a hassle-free day in XFCE being productive. As far as your pending tracker ticket, I still have no apps going white (light) except xfce print dialogue box---they are all different shades of black despite "appearance settings box".

                                                you mentioned your problem was specifically quogir/dark being ignored in certain apps when you set those certain apps to 'system settings.'

                                                in my multi-black xfce world, I can set firefox and librewriter to system settings dark theme but still they pick their own blacks. We have the same problem, different colors.

                                                the only thing that goes white on me is the xfce print dialogue UI when I want to print something. budgie too.

                                                I'm still learning theming here. I believe the-gtk theme packages work here best.

                                                XFCE was so buggy I had to turn my back on it for a week but the latest updates have made this really pleasant. Was a nice work day in it overall.