Other Interesting Distros, Part 7

brent

murbert P.S.---I tried Budgie Arch and I thought it was...ummm...a creative interpretation of Budgie, even radical. Have no idea how Strobl feels about all his babies but I found that one challenging. Didn't dislike it, but it wasn't the Budgie I was used to. Some distros tear out the Budgie Control Center and other things, like Arch did. Different Budgie than all the rest I tip my hat to that.

WetGeek

brent Celtic Magic widget--a fast one-button shutdown for Solus.

I use a custom shortcut to run systemctl hibernate. Instead of shutting down my computers and needing to restore everything every time I launch them, I just press ALT+H to hibernate. Still a shutdown (as opposed to letting them all run 24/7) but a lot more convenient. And if you have sufficient swap, it's trivial to implement on most distros.

Regrettably, Solus doesn't allow creating a shortcut for a command, only for an application, and I'm hoping that will change some day. Most, if not all, other distros I've worked with don't have any problem with a shortcut to run a command.

brent

WetGeek systemctl hibernate.

interesting. a shortcut will do.

stalebrim just open terminal and poweroff

but that's not magic...8 keystokes plus two to open the terminal. not averse to that. I open my terminal with win key and t and e and r and m and enter. once you get locked into a serious keyboard shortcut habit its hard to do any other way...
for giggles since I never heard of this particular command:

$ poweroff --help
poweroff [OPTIONS...]

Power off the system.

Options:
     --help      Show this help
     --halt      Halt the machine
  -p --poweroff  Switch off the machine
     --reboot    Reboot the machine
  -f --force     Force immediate halt/power-off/reboot
  -w --wtmp-only Don't halt/power-off/reboot, just write wtmp record
  -d --no-wtmp   Don't write wtmp record
     --no-wall   Don't send wall message before halt/power-off/reboot

See the halt(8) man page for details.

Wonder whathalt does exactly?
edit: and how is poweroff different than poweroff -p? can't wait to try this at the end of the day.

stalebrim

I just open terminal and poweroff

WetGeek

brent 8 keystokes plus two to open the terminal

Compare that with one keystroke from anywhere on the system, and no need to open the terminal at all. And next time you launch the machine, it automatically takes you back to where you were when you shut it down.

Sorry if I didn't explain it very well.

elfprince

brent Wonder whathalt does exactly?
From google:

halt terminates all processes and shuts down the cpu.

poweroff is exactly like halt, but it also turns off the unit itself (lights and everything on a PC). It sends an ACPI command to the board, then to the PSU, to cut the power.

shutdown is like poweroff, but it also runs shutdown scripts which should stop things gracefully. Examples include giving programs a chance to close files, delete their lock files and unmount drives properly.

brent

WetGeek I think I get it. you made a shortcut to trigger a .service. and a shortcut to renable that .service?

WetGeek

WetGeek Sorry if I didn't explain it very well.

By the way, poweroff and shutdown do the same thing. I gave halt a try on my Solus VM, and this is as far as I got after several minutes:

WetGeek

brent I think I get it. you made a shortcut to trigger a .service. and a shortcut to renable that .service?

Not quite. Just one shortcut to launch the command systemctl hibernate. I assigned it to ALT+H, but that's a personal choice, and it was unused for anything else.

Then, one simply restarts the computer the normal way -- with a power button -- and when it starts, it automatically recovers from hibernation. No second shortcut needed.
And it's like the shutdown never happened

brent

WetGeek OK I got it. I have never been so adept at keybinding that I could operate the systemctl (or anything) at will. It's cool. So wonderfully minimal how you got it.
Thanks for being guinea pig with poweroff. I like to have that CLI stuff stored in the noggin (or desktop file).

WetGeek

brent I have never been so adept at keybinding that I could operate the systemctl (or anything) at will.

Not your fault. There might be a way to bind a keypress to a command on Solus, but if there is, I haven't found it yet. Not with a Plasma DE, anyway. I'm hoping that all changes when we move on from legacy Solus.

Bind a keypress to an application, sure, but not to a command like systemctl. I'd bet a lot that you can do it with Fedora, though.

brent

WetGeek It would take hours to confirm or deny that in Fedora's unending documentation!
PS---I always wanted to learn vim keybindings (and run my OS or a browser). But it's deep on the list.

WetGeek

WetGeek There might be a way to bind a keypress to a command on Solus, but if there is, I haven't found it yet.

Found it! Well, not a general case, but for the hibernate purpose we've been talking about.

In the System Settings, Power Management section, there are some settings like this:

I assigned "hibernate" to both of those settings, and it works great! If I just close the laptop lid, it hibernates, and then restores when I open it the next time. If I don't want to close the lid, I just press the power button, and it likewise hibernates until I push the power button again.

These are from the Plasma system settings, but I'm pretty sure every DE will have similar system settings.

WetGeek

brent I always wanted to learn vim keybindings (and run my OS or a browser). But it's deep on the list

With Plasma, it's just a system setting called "Shortcuts." You type the name of the command, then type the keypress to launch it, and your'e done.

Stupendoussteve

brent that in a nutshell^^. by the time you keep two seperate Flatpak repos and twenty regular package repos then you know you've lost your way...

I don't think this is entirely fair to Fedora, they have also generally been gaining in popularity in recent years.
They maintain one flatpak repo, it is the Fedora one. They are flatpak rebuilds of Fedora packages and will likely eventually be the primary source of desktop applications for Fedora (they are really working on immutable systems).
Flathub is a third party (hence why Fedora doesn't just use them instead of their own) it just happens to be one of the most popular and complete sources of flatpak packages. It packages a lot of software that can't (legally) or won't (philosophically) be packaged into Fedora. Originally it wasn't included. Fedora eventually included a filtered repository with a few items (Chrome maybe?), but they recently expanded it to allow access to the entire thing. One of the good features of flatpak versus snap in Ubuntu, is the ability to easily use multiple sources.

When it comes to rpm repositories, they provide their own, which is nowhere near 20. Most people also use rpmfusion, which hosts some software that isn't in the distribution for the same legal or philosophical reasons.

Very good criticism of their default firewall rules though. They use firewalld, and the Workstation default is wide open to inbound traffic (if a service is listening). This is not the case in every variant.

brent

Stupendoussteve

that's about 20 on the nose. true to their promise they disabled the test repos after beta morphed into Final.
I added the RPM Fusions. There are two Flatpak repos (pic #1). I realize Fedora maintains one.

To be fair to me, when I jest Fedora users are looking forward to upgrading versions "like they would a colonoscopy" and other flights of fancy I'm simply using hyperbole to make a blunter point. I think hyperbole is often confused for falsehood but in my world (mind) it's an under-utilized tool..and at the Fedora Fourm the yearly upgrade does bring some anxiety.

I can't disrespect their acheivements. They (and Buddies) gave me a perfectly fine operating system that I enjoy. Compared to Solus which is the only Linux I ever used...it gets daunting in places.

sudo ufw status verbose
Status: active
Logging: on (low)
Default: deny (incoming), allow (outgoing), disabled (routed)
New profiles: skip

To                         Action      From
--                         ------      ----
22/tcp (SSH)               ALLOW IN    Anywhere                  

224.0.0.251 5353/udp (mDNS) ALLOW IN    Anywhere                  

22/tcp (SSH (v6))          ALLOW IN    Anywhere (v6)             

ff02::fb 5353/udp (mDNS)   ALLOW IN    Anywhere (v6)     

```        

that kind stuff ^ makes me feel weird I'm glad you agree. I have to delete those rules. not a fan at all. I did my research and half that stuff is plug and play the other half bonjour type stuff but I need neither. 
edit/added word

Stupendoussteve

elfprince shutdown is like poweroff, but it also runs shutdown scripts which should stop things gracefully.

In most systems now (running systemd), the benefit of shutdown is the ability to schedule the time the machine powers off, warning users it is going to shut down, cancelling the shutdown, and preventing additional logins. It eventually triggers halt, poweroff, or reboot which do the shutdown scripts.
(poweroff, halt, and reboot also have the same command options, which is why poweroff -p is a possibility although it acts the same, and they are all links to systemctl along with shutdown)

brent

wfl elfprince Stupendoussteve
between both of you I got a lot of info. I suspected the differences in commands were minute and related to systemd/systemctl services and variations of such...elfprince some of those are probably for testing and checking logs? I do want to try them out someday.

elfprince

Stupendoussteve In the old days, I used shutdown -p now to gracefully poweroff the machine. Perhaps new terminology has entered over time, where poweroff does the same thing. Don't know for sure.

stalebrim

brent https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/repositories/

Axios

When we had the solus blackout I was worried have seen so many happenings like that with things on the net
that most things dont return.
So I kinda said to myself no more linux and returned to the other side but kept up on solus for some odd reason
i am strangle attached to solus mate and budgie when it was working good. I have tried so many linux distros it isnt funny.
When things came back online and I heard the plans I knew things were headed forward because of the group of dev behind it and after this weeks accomplishments I have no doubt things will look alot brighter for so long as people can wait for those things to happen and be thankful we have solus again.
I want to thank the dev for all the hard work put into project like this and hope for a long stable road ahead.
Distro hopping is fun but really it is alot of work and not sure of the advancements in the end if one ends back where he started..lol

brent

Axios Distro hopping is fun but really it is alot of work and not sure of the advancements in the end if one ends back where he started..lol

what does that say about us I wonder? my linux education grew significantly. but going back where I started is mixed. If it wasn't the best, I wouldn't bother. I have a renewed faith in the distro also in josh, ikey, staudey and the large cast behind the scenes. Also related to what you are saying is this (https://www.phoronix.com/news/Solus-Linux-SerpentOS-Direction) article snippet that was eye-opening: "Since mid-January Solus had been suffering from an infrastructure outage that yielded nearly three months of downtime. During that debacle, Ikey Doherty reached out to offer hosting services and shared a proposal for moving the project forward. " I did not know any of this but we are not the only one winding up back where they started.

Axios e but kept up on solus for some odd reason
i am strangely attached to solus mate and budgie when it was working good.

exactly this^ I could not put it better

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