Other Interesting Distros, Part 7

Stupendoussteve

brent that in a nutshell^^. by the time you keep two seperate Flatpak repos and twenty regular package repos then you know you've lost your way...

I don't think this is entirely fair to Fedora, they have also generally been gaining in popularity in recent years.
They maintain one flatpak repo, it is the Fedora one. They are flatpak rebuilds of Fedora packages and will likely eventually be the primary source of desktop applications for Fedora (they are really working on immutable systems).
Flathub is a third party (hence why Fedora doesn't just use them instead of their own) it just happens to be one of the most popular and complete sources of flatpak packages. It packages a lot of software that can't (legally) or won't (philosophically) be packaged into Fedora. Originally it wasn't included. Fedora eventually included a filtered repository with a few items (Chrome maybe?), but they recently expanded it to allow access to the entire thing. One of the good features of flatpak versus snap in Ubuntu, is the ability to easily use multiple sources.

When it comes to rpm repositories, they provide their own, which is nowhere near 20. Most people also use rpmfusion, which hosts some software that isn't in the distribution for the same legal or philosophical reasons.

Very good criticism of their default firewall rules though. They use firewalld, and the Workstation default is wide open to inbound traffic (if a service is listening). This is not the case in every variant.

brent

Stupendoussteve

that's about 20 on the nose. true to their promise they disabled the test repos after beta morphed into Final.
I added the RPM Fusions. There are two Flatpak repos (pic #1). I realize Fedora maintains one.

To be fair to me, when I jest Fedora users are looking forward to upgrading versions "like they would a colonoscopy" and other flights of fancy I'm simply using hyperbole to make a blunter point. I think hyperbole is often confused for falsehood but in my world (mind) it's an under-utilized tool..and at the Fedora Fourm the yearly upgrade does bring some anxiety.

I can't disrespect their acheivements. They (and Buddies) gave me a perfectly fine operating system that I enjoy. Compared to Solus which is the only Linux I ever used...it gets daunting in places.

sudo ufw status verbose
Status: active
Logging: on (low)
Default: deny (incoming), allow (outgoing), disabled (routed)
New profiles: skip

To                         Action      From
--                         ------      ----
22/tcp (SSH)               ALLOW IN    Anywhere                  

224.0.0.251 5353/udp (mDNS) ALLOW IN    Anywhere                  

22/tcp (SSH (v6))          ALLOW IN    Anywhere (v6)             

ff02::fb 5353/udp (mDNS)   ALLOW IN    Anywhere (v6)     

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that kind stuff ^ makes me feel weird I'm glad you agree. I have to delete those rules. not a fan at all. I did my research and half that stuff is plug and play the other half bonjour type stuff but I need neither. 
edit/added word

elfprince

brent Wonder whathalt does exactly?
From google:

halt terminates all processes and shuts down the cpu.

poweroff is exactly like halt, but it also turns off the unit itself (lights and everything on a PC). It sends an ACPI command to the board, then to the PSU, to cut the power.

shutdown is like poweroff, but it also runs shutdown scripts which should stop things gracefully. Examples include giving programs a chance to close files, delete their lock files and unmount drives properly.

Stupendoussteve

elfprince shutdown is like poweroff, but it also runs shutdown scripts which should stop things gracefully.

In most systems now (running systemd), the benefit of shutdown is the ability to schedule the time the machine powers off, warning users it is going to shut down, cancelling the shutdown, and preventing additional logins. It eventually triggers halt, poweroff, or reboot which do the shutdown scripts.
(poweroff, halt, and reboot also have the same command options, which is why poweroff -p is a possibility although it acts the same, and they are all links to systemctl along with shutdown)

brent

wfl elfprince Stupendoussteve
between both of you I got a lot of info. I suspected the differences in commands were minute and related to systemd/systemctl services and variations of such...elfprince some of those are probably for testing and checking logs? I do want to try them out someday.

elfprince

Stupendoussteve In the old days, I used shutdown -p now to gracefully poweroff the machine. Perhaps new terminology has entered over time, where poweroff does the same thing. Don't know for sure.

stalebrim

brent https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/repositories/

Axios

When we had the solus blackout I was worried have seen so many happenings like that with things on the net
that most things dont return.
So I kinda said to myself no more linux and returned to the other side but kept up on solus for some odd reason
i am strangle attached to solus mate and budgie when it was working good. I have tried so many linux distros it isnt funny.
When things came back online and I heard the plans I knew things were headed forward because of the group of dev behind it and after this weeks accomplishments I have no doubt things will look alot brighter for so long as people can wait for those things to happen and be thankful we have solus again.
I want to thank the dev for all the hard work put into project like this and hope for a long stable road ahead.
Distro hopping is fun but really it is alot of work and not sure of the advancements in the end if one ends back where he started..lol

brent

Axios Distro hopping is fun but really it is alot of work and not sure of the advancements in the end if one ends back where he started..lol

what does that say about us I wonder? my linux education grew significantly. but going back where I started is mixed. If it wasn't the best, I wouldn't bother. I have a renewed faith in the distro also in josh, ikey, staudey and the large cast behind the scenes. Also related to what you are saying is this (https://www.phoronix.com/news/Solus-Linux-SerpentOS-Direction) article snippet that was eye-opening: "Since mid-January Solus had been suffering from an infrastructure outage that yielded nearly three months of downtime. During that debacle, Ikey Doherty reached out to offer hosting services and shared a proposal for moving the project forward. " I did not know any of this but we are not the only one winding up back where they started.

Axios e but kept up on solus for some odd reason
i am strangely attached to solus mate and budgie when it was working good.

exactly this^ I could not put it better

Axios

I think fedora as an os is not to bad but its updating and repo are crap..lol
Alaways had issues with it.

WetGeek

WetGeek There might be a way to bind a keypress to a command on Solus, but if there is, I haven't found it yet.

Found it! Well, not a general case, but for the hibernate purpose we've been talking about.

In the System Settings, Power Management section, there are some settings like this:

I assigned "hibernate" to both of those settings, and it works great! If I just close the laptop lid, it hibernates, and then restores when I open it the next time. If I don't want to close the lid, I just press the power button, and it likewise hibernates until I push the power button again.

These are from the Plasma system settings, but I'm pretty sure every DE will have similar system settings.

SOLUSfiddler

WetGeek
BUDGIE:
Launch the Budgie Control Center
Go to Power management ("Energie" in German, that's my DE's language]
Scroll down to the settings for the power button, activate Hibernate ("Ruhezustand").

Now whenever you press the power button the computer will hibernate at your will, pressing the power button again will revive the computer and go back to where you sent it to sleep!
Fab!!

WetGeek

SOLUSfiddler Fab!!

I couldn't have said it better. I've always known what hibernate does, but I could always use the computer with a decent workflow without setting up hibernate, so I never bothered with it. But I used Sparky Linux mostly during the Solus downtime, and its installer offered to install a swap and activate hibernate, so I used it there, and pretty much got hooked.

When I installed Solus this time, I created the partitions manually in order to get a swap bigger than 4 GB. (I created one that's 18 GB, since this laptop has 16 GB of RAM). And instead of using the whole 500 GB SSD for Solus, I made the root partition just 250 GB and left the unallocated space for some future project.

So, after all these years, I'm using hibernate for the first time with Solus, and I'm lovin' it;. No more leaving a bunch of machines running 24/7, sometimes for days. I'm sure my electric bill will love it.

stalebrim

I've never used hibernate 😄 I think that on SSDs the boot time is so short (even on Fedora) that I haven't bothered. I also like to unplug everything when I leave the house so hibernation may not yield me a lot of benefit any way.

WetGeek

stalebrim I've never used hibernate

It's not a matter of how fast a distro boots, but a matter of leaving a system intact. When I'm through working with a computer, I might have 8 or 10 programs loaded, each in its own workspace. Email, browser, games, editor, file manager, settings, terminal, etc. Shutting the computer down, and then restarting all those applications the next time is avoided by hibernating.

When the computer recovers from hibernation, everything is exactly as you left it. There's no need to restart anything at all.

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