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WetGeek

tomscharbach I would rather be part of the Apple ecosystem than part of the Google/Android ecosystem.

Thank goodness that we can all buy and use what we believe works best for us.

tomscharbach

WetGeek Interesting statistics. Apple claims a global market share of about 15%, which is significantly lower than whatever statistics you are quoting. The US market is different, of course, as you point out. In the US market, the iPhone market share hovers around 50%, give or take, depending on the quarter.

To my mind, 50-odd % is a significant market share in the US, but I base my decisions on my use case rather than market share. If I based my decisions on market share rather than my use case, I'd be using Windows (80% market share) and Chrome (65% market share). Vivaldi, which has so low a market share as to be insignificant wouldn't make the cut to even consider.

Be that as it may, and recognizing that I may be alone in wanting to be able to use a browser cross-platform among my devices (laptop, desktop, phone) my use case rules out Vivaldi. For you that is not an impediment. For me, it is. Enough said, I think.

WetGeek Thank goodness that we can all buy and use what we believe works best for us.

Just to be clear, I have no argument with those who wish to embrace the Google/Android ecosystem. I prefer not to follow that path.

WetGeek

tomscharbach Vivaldi, which has so low a market share as to be insignificant wouldn't make the cut to even consider.

Neither would Jaguar or Ferrari, considering just market share. The reason I mentioned it was simply to point out that not everyone uses iPhones. Your assumption that I don't use a smartphone was a bit off target.

WetGeek

tomscharbach Vivaldi, which has so low a market share as to be insignificant wouldn't make the cut to even consider.

Not to beat this dead horse any longer, but this explanation from Wikipedia might help to explain that:

"Starting with version 2.10, Vivaldi changed its user agent string to mimic a generic build of Chromium, which results in it not being recorded as a unique browser and causing a decrease in its recorded market share."

tomscharbach

WetGeek Your assumption that I don't use a smartphone was a bit off target.

Yes it was, and I apologize for not clarifying the issue. I misread your comment "Or for those who don't try to use their telephones in place of their computers." to mean that you didn't use a smartphone instead of meaning that you didn't use your phone for internet browsing. My mistake. I will try to me more careful in the future.

WetGeek The reason I mentioned it was simply to point out that not everyone uses iPhones.

Yes, and the reason that I pointed out the fact that Vivaldi does no support an iOS implementation is that it effectively rules out Vivaldi for those of us who use iPhones.

tomscharbach

WetGeek "Starting with version 2.10, Vivaldi changed its user agent string to mimic a generic build of Chromium, which results in it not being recorded as a unique browser and causing a decrease in its recorded market share."

Which puts Vivaldi into the "Other" category along with Chromium and whatnot, sharing a 2-4% market share between them?

Vivaldi (based on what I've read on this forum over the last couple years) is the Ferrari of browsers, leaving browsers like Brave/Edge/Firefox in the dust, but just as a $300,000 Ferrari would not work for me if I couldn't use it to commute twice a week to the railroad museum, Vivaldi has no value for those of us who use iPhones and want to use a cross-platform browser that works on iOS. It it isn't a big deal, and I regret having raised the issue.

WetGeek

tomscharbach Thanks for yet another interesting discussion!

WetGeek

By the way, @tomscharbach, you frequently mention your work for "the" railroad museum, but of course there are dozens of those. One is in Wheeling, across the river from where I was born and raised, and another is not far from where I now live in the Pacific northwest. I'm just curious where the one you speak of is located?

tomscharbach

WetGeek I'm just curious where the one you speak of is located?

South Central Wisconsin.

We are a member-affiliate of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin, dedicated to preserving the legacy of the Sandley Light Railway Equipment Works, which manufactured 15" gauge locomotives and rolling stock between 1947 and 1981. Sandley was known for the quality.

The #82 (built in 1957 for the Milwaukee County Zoo) is an American 4-4-0 shown below:

#82 American 4-4-0

We are an all-volunteer organization, with about 100 active volunteers at this point. I've been a volunteer for about 15 years now.

WetGeek

tomscharbach We are a member-affiliate of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin

Interesting. I thought it might be one that I've visited, but I don't believe I've ever been in Wisconsin, unless it was to pass through it on my way from Ohio to Montana. Great photo, by the way!

wingman-4

tomscharbach The #82 (built in 1957 for the Milwaukee County Zoo) is an American 4-4-0 shown below:

Very possible I was on that train as a child. I grew up in Neenah and visited to the zoo most summers via bus trips sponsored by the park and rec dpt.

tomscharbach

wingman-4 You may well have been on a train pulled by #82, and you almost certainly rode behind a Sandley locomotive at the Zoo. Although #82 came back to the museum in the 1980's (it was too small to handle the loads that the Zoo ran after a while) the Milwaukee County Zoo has run custom-built Sandley locomotives throughout its history and continues to run two larger Atlantic steam engines built by Sandley at the present time.

Besides the museum, I think that the Zoo is the only public facility that still runs Sandley equipment these days. Of the 19 known locomotives that Sandley built, we have seven at the museum (two just came to us this Spring through the University of Texas foundation), the Zoo has two, seven are owned by private collectors, and three are lost.

Kids just love those little trains, almost as much as cookies. The kids' excitement are what keep us all volunteering.

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