Building An Alternative Ecosystem

synth-ruiner

fulmen Basically, according to this, System 76 is apparently working on its own DE, written in Rust. No word on toolkit though.

I'm not seeing the rust part mentioned anywhere. I wonder if they could use the Orbital DE from Redox or if porting it to linux would be too difficult.

JoshStrobl

synth-ruiner mmstick is a System76 employee and he mentioned it being in Rust here. Their launcher service is already written in Rust and they are gradually replacing their JavaScript-based services with Rust ones.

fulmen Any possible synergy?

I doubt they have any plans on switching away from GTK, so probably not.

fulmen

JoshStrobl Reaching out could still be interesting. They may share the same concerns as the Solus team.

Also, both mmstick and jackpot51 (Michael Murphy and Jeremy Soller) have worked on OrbTK in the past so they may want to push it. I don't think it's ready for such large use yet (actually it probably isn't).

That being said, developing a new ecosystem is not exactly easy. Doing it with them might help a bit.

jppelt

JoshStrobl Keep Solus Solus...running on a Thelio (System76) and nothing feels better than running with Solus. To say, follow your vision and ideas. Keep setting the bar at Solus level and others will follow 😄

h3o

fulmen looks like they will use existing toolkits:

Staudey

fulmen Reaching out could still be interesting. They may share the same concerns as the Solus team.

Oh they definitely share some of the same concerns. That was already established an communicated in the past.

fulmen

h3o They don't seem to have a clear idea yet (note how he mentioned both mutter and kwin for example).

Even if the probability nothing comes of it is substantial, I would still reach out. Can't hurt.

JoshStrobl

We're using different technologies, different programming languages, different toolkits, and executing on a different vision of a desktop environment. There isn't much to really collaborate on. Let's not try to force things or have a bunch of comments trying to push for it, and keep things on topic. This thread has been getting a bit out of hand.

They're always welcome to use EFL. If they're not, then there isn't really any place for collaboration.

Lucien_Lachance

@JoshStrobl
just wondering, this 'non-curated' gnome version you speak of, does non-curated mean that it will include those apps that are depricated or held back because of libhandy/libadwaita etc? - i mean will we get the newest versions even if they contain these unwanted components? what about wayland?

ive been playing with manjaro gnome today, and even though its at gnome 40, the newer versions of gnome calendar, weather, geary, gnome-disks and so on + wayland makes the solus gnome edition start to look a bit second rate, aged and incomplete in comparison (no offence intended - you know i love solus)

and yes i know the reasons you're not including libhandy apps

JoshStrobl

Lucien_Lachance does non-curated mean that it will include those apps that are depricated or held back because of libhandy

We don't support libhandy.

Lucien_Lachance what about wayland?

No. Wayland is not production ready and I am not satisfied with its current state or any X11 fallbacks implemented.

It just means no theming changes will be made and no extensions will be shipped out-of-the-box. In other words, less "sane defaults" and more of GNOME's mess.

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JoshStrobl It just means no theming changes will be made and no extensions will be shipped out-of-the-box. In other words, less "sane defaults" and more of GNOME's mess.

It's rare for distro to ship vanilla Gnome. It might sparks interest to people who want default Gnome Experience like in Fedora but afraid to use leading edge tech like Wayland or Pipewire.

akash

I am SO exited for this! this seems to be start of the new period, where gtk/qt are not the only ones dominating. The only thing i have to ask would be - when can the community expect this?

JoshStrobl

akash When it is ready. We don't give ETAs.

fulmen

akash The best way to have a release date is to get involved in the development! Speaking of which, anyone knows a good EFL tutorial?

JoshStrobl

fulmen I mean yes but no. The repo isn't public and likely won't be until it is ready for broader consumption.

EFL Tutorials (Legacy is preferred over Unified API atm by upstream, unified is largely considered "beta")
Programming Guide for legacy C API
Excellent "primer" to C by EFL devs at https://www.enlightenment.org/docs/c/start

fulmen

JoshStrobl Thanks for the pointers!

amaanat2017

JoshStrobl Will there be exposed like workspace and windows overview? That's the only thing I miss in Budgie desktop. Whatever you guys decide, you have my full support.

nosampls

I think about this situation and this post alot and I check back frequently for updates. I also highly anticipate the changes coming, I wish there was more of a circle to keep "in the loop" about it but maybe that's just me obsessing. Very hyped for the future!

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