Minimal option for Solus install?

[deleted] hi my idea is i just need an update for my installed software i don't want to install new software. in the software center if i don't install new software the list grows and i cant easily find my required update . So if any option to ignore the new software's will be nice right so the list will be less.

viyoriya I honestly don't know what you're after. If you install updates from software center, you won't get new software unless the new versions of packages depend on something.

[deleted] ooh i was talking about software center / other Updates mainly kernel and header updates

Justin

Are you guys talking about an ISO with no desktop? Or just less apps?

Something like Debian netinstall or something without even Xorg installed.

viyoriya That's a great way to have an unsecure system that will eventually break altogether. Install your updates.

RLFontan

Personally i would like to have a "Alternative Downloads" section to get access to a minimal install iso, its a nice thing to have... i don't know if it's hard to maintain or something...

Not going to happen. For us a minimal install includes a functional desktop environment. Even if that is just i3 and useful apps.

Would be nice to an i3 user to have a feature like that. Would be nice to a KDE Plasma tester, just download a netinstall with the proper integrity check and install, instead of using testing isos without a integrity check.

I have no intention of providing netinstall images any time soon. This is not something an average user needs.

Also, besides we can consider this a "technical preciosity": less packages = less vulnerabilities to be explored.

Not necessarily. You forget that some packages like apparmor actually close security holes

I really like Solus, it's an independent distro focused on the desktop... no companies getting in the way, no mix of interests... but i must confess that i feel like sometimes Solus overprotect the user... i feel like, if that decision of do not produce a netinstall iso is based on pragmatism, than it's fine, but if its based on protecting a certain philosophy, then it's an exaggeration.

Obs: i also agree that for the average user an "out of the box" mindset is better, so, if a netinstall is hard to maintain, maybe the best decision is to extend this idea to future, when probably Solus will have more man work... i agree it's not an necessary thing.

It's philosophical in this case, not pragmatic. Home users don't need netinstalls. That's an Enterprise feature.

Obs2: I really hope that the new Solus package manager will solve this "orphan packages" problems in the proper way, without harming the average user.

eopkg already does this. The problem that you are running into is that what you think is an orphan was manually installed as a part of the ISO and marked as such. Therefore it isn't an orphan.

In the end, i think we should trust Solus leaders. They should know how much Solus can handle "non-essential" stuff, and how much that could hurt or take out the focus of the project or not. For now, for normal installations i keep my eyes on Solus, for minimal ones i keep my eyes on Void Linux or maybe Debian.

We aren't a minimal distro. We support modern hardware and software, which means being able to spare a few GBs on a fresh install.

For us a minimal install includes a functional desktop environment. Even if that is just i3 and useful apps.

Minimal + useful = great!

DataDrake eopkg already does this. The problem that you are running into is that what you think is an orphan was manually installed as a part of the ISO and marked as such. Therefore it isn't an orphan.

There is a way to change that?

RLFontan When I have time.

[deleted] The correct statement is: "I think forcing old versions on specific packages might cause breakage though." Different distro, but I sometimes force downgrades for specific packages under Debian Unstable when an upgrade doesn't work or breaks something else. As long as you're careful and know what you're doing, breakage shouldn't be much of a concern.

DataDrake why its unsecure? i do install required updates for already installed software. i dont wanna install new software in the system so if any option to ignore in the other updates will be nice. else every time need to scroll down all the available software list. for example i dont have nvidia graphics card in my system but why i need to install when i use eopkg up or select all and install option in other updates i jus wanna ignore permanently.

downhill true. but i like solus i do use Debian and mint on multi user target and i never update this distro.

viyoriya I was just using Debian and apt-mark hold as an example.

viyoriya There's no harm having nouveau nvidia driver on your system at all, it takes minimal space too. Not sure why you'd avoid having it.

viyoriya So if a new package is added in the system.base or if a package requires a new dependency for example, it'd turn into breakages... As stated on the homepage, Solus is designed for everyone and the team has probably better things to do than dealing with breakages and frustration of some users that would be caused by such a system.

viyoriya Because any software on your computer is a potential vulnerability. We spend a lot of time each we getting things updated so that you aren't at risk. Ignoring updates, even if you don't think you need them, leaves you potentially vulnerable. The Security updates we provide are only for CVE fixes that we know about. You could just remove xorg-driver-video-nouveau and not have to think about it. Also the nvidia-*-modaliases files are just for hardware detection and you may remove those as well.

When we get around to the Software Center update later this year, we will not be distinguishing between required updates and other updates. All updates will be required to reduce the likelihood of breakage. They may be labelled separately to be informative, but I'm tired of finding out that someone's system is woefully broken because they have held back updates for months on end.

@DataDrake you guys do allot of great work I updated my moms system for the first time in a year because she didn't have internet till recently and I just needed to switch the repos I am on lts kernel and it just works. Although I have never held back a single package I just want to say thank you all for all the work you do.

Every time I did a minimum install with other distros it copies all the files like a normal install and then takes an additional 20 mins to delete said files. There's no real advantage to minimum installs when they do that.