MintSpider If the total unfortunate happened and Solus was no more I would use PCLinuxOS.

For me it was the other way around 😁 . Solus was my fallback for PCLinuxOS

brent I was around for the 3.999999 upgrade....so what came before that?

A few years of kicking tires, getting all the pieces in place. I think that 3.0 (2017) was the first version to get traction in the Linux market.

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    WetGeek Reduced KDE, reduced pixels

      [deleted] Reduced KDE, reduced pixels

      Interesting. That may explain why I just got this notice when I tried to launch my PCLinuxOS VM this morning:

      And that's probably also at the root of its screen turning black when I try to resize it. Apparently VirtualBox can't handle the shorter pixel depth at all. Not surprising -- that hasn't been common for decades.

      I'll see if I can find a setting to undo that, and get back to a modern pixel depth, or my infatuation with PCLinuxOS may be near its conclusion. A black screen isn't very useful to me.

        PCLinuxOS KDE Darkstar - Conclusion

        Sadly, I need to give up on my exploration of this distribution. Apparently it was installing the VBox guest additions that caused the worst of the bad behavior, and I don't know of a way to remove those once the VM's kernel has been so modified.

        I could only return to that previous state by re-inserting the .ISO file into the virtual CD drive, and doing another installation from the beginning, but I attempted to install those guest additions for a reason. Every time I started, or rebooted, the VM, it lost the resolution I'd selected in the displays settings, and appeared as a small version of itself that made working with it difficult.

        At this time, I don't have another computer that I can dedicate to trying this distro on hardware, so there's not much more I can do with it now. My spare laptop has been setup for a visiting family member to use, who is arriving this week.

        During the time I spent with PCLinuxOS KDE Darkstar, I was very impressed with it, aside from this obvious disappointment. Its production values are among the best I've seen. I was able to do an update and upgrade using the first package manager I tried -- apt. I was able to install all the software I wanted from its repository, so I had no need to look online for such as Vivaldi, as I've needed to do with various other distros. Its installation required only about 5 GB of disk space for a reasonably complete OS.

        So, yes, I'm saddened that I can't go any farther with this exploration at this time, and I don't want to discourage anyone (@brent maybe?) who might be interested in installing this distro on their hardware. With a video card that can tolerate its 16-bit graphics, it could be a real contender.

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          WetGeek I've seen the 16-bit color message appear when GRUB appears, so I think the OS in itself does support 32-bit color.

            WetGeek I do acknowledge that PCLinuxOS does indeed run well on hardware.
            I have TDE,Xfce, and Darkstar running on 2 laptops and a desktop.
            For fun I have also booted the Live USB on the System76 Thelio and everything worked perfectly.
            This is why I would have no hesitation choosing a Solus replacement as I am already using it.

            [deleted] I've seen the 16-bit color message appear when GRUB appears, so I think the OS in itself does support 32-bit color.

            Perhaps, but the problem may be that it defaults to 16-bit video? That's just a guess, but I suspect that the older of the two virtual video "cards" that VirtualBox provides is able to handle 16-bit video, whereas the newer one is not. Remember that I didn't get anywhere with it until I changed to the older one.

            And it was installing the guest additions, in an attempt to resolve the resizing issue, that caused things to go downhill from there.

            The other possibility is that the video card in your hardware supports 16-bit color. I think that might be more likely.

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              WetGeek I don't think it defaults to 16-bit color. It's most probably an issue with VirtualBox.

                [deleted] I don't think it defaults to 16-bit color.

                Then why have you and I both seen the message telling us to change to 32-bit color for better performance? Surely if that were its default, there'd be no need to ever display that notification.

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                  WetGeek Because the BIOS or GRUB defaults to 16-bit color. The distribution in itself doesn't.

                    [deleted] Because the BIOS or GRUB defaults to 16-bit color. The distribution in itself doesn't.

                    Okay, you go with that if you want to. I've installed 30 or 40 other distributions in recent years, without ever being asked to change to 32-bit color until now. I'll continue to believe it's part of what's "reduced" about Darkstar compared with regular KDE Plasma.

                    If it were a BIOS setting, it would affect every distro. And GRUB simply launches OSs. It could care less about their color depth. And, to be honest, it makes absolutely no difference at all which one of us is right. 😀

                      WetGeek With a video card that can tolerate its 16-bit graphics, it could be a real contender.

                      I wonder how far back we would have to go to find a video card that doesn't support 16-bit graphics.

                        tomscharbach I wonder how far back we would have to go to find a video card that doesn't support 16-bit graphics.

                        No idea, but that might explain why it runs on modern hardware. (For some value of "runs.")

                          WetGeek No idea, but that might explain why it runs on modern hardware. (For some value of "runs.")

                          I have no idea what kind of a mess you got into with the VM, but 16-bit color support has been around since EGA, which precedes VGA, and that is at least 20-25 years ago. My much-beloved Red Alert 2 uses 16-bit graphics and I started using that on Windows 95/98, 22 years so.

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                            If it were a BIOS setting, it would affect every distro. And GRUB simply launches OSs. It could care less about their color depth.

                            Like I said it has nothing to do with the distro's color depth, but instead the graphical presentation of either BIOS or the bootloader, which will then prompt the message.

                            tomscharbach 16-bit color support has been around since EGA, which precedes VGA, and that is at least 20-25 years ago

                            I'm not surprised to know that 16-bit color was available back in the day, after all, I started writing code for 16-bit PCs sometime in the late '80s. I just didn't expect that newer video cards still supported it. Thanks for enlightening me.

                              tomscharbach A few years of kicking tires, getting all the pieces in place. I think that 3.0 (2017) was the first version to get traction in the Linux market.

                              Didn't know we had a wikip page! "Solus 1.2.1 was released on October 19, 2016." That was the one I was on but OS version is not in the wiki article. 3.0 might be right.
                              Remember when Justin was working here? He was doing a curating project on all releases. He alluded to the fact, and I remember this, that there were versions between 3.0 and 3.999. As I remember it anyway..

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                              Tested Darkstar on a VirtualBox (7.0.4) VM. Can't reproduce the display issues, the live system nicely defaulted to 1280x800 and same with the installed and fully updated system. The display settings go up to 2560x1600. VirtualBox guest additions came preinstalled.

                              Can't point out where the message on color depth comes from, though, as I didn't see such message. I assume it's either an issue with your VM or the guest OS configuration.

                              WetGeek I just didn't expect that newer video cards still supported it. Thanks for enlightening me.

                              As far as I know, all Intel video cards are backwards compatible to 16-bit because Microsoft requires 16-bit for Windows Compatibility Mode and won't certify the card unless 16-bit is supported. I don't know about NVIDIA and AMD.