Lucien_Lachance Ideally, I think it would all depend on your hardware (old v new for example), in how much breakage you might expect. EndeavourOS is like Arch, but with a GUI installer and one extra repo that includes a few EndeavourOS goodies and that's it. So if there's a problem in Arch, everyone will know it and catch it and fix it, usually within a day or so. Manjaro on the other hand has a whole separate repo that's all their own that essentially holds back packages from the Arch repos for testing purposes before they get released. Holding back packages on a system that is designed to have the latest updates is partially why Manjaro is for some users prone to breakage. EndeavourOS is not like that since it follows Arch.

I've been on EndeavourOS about 2 weeks now, updates come out daily, you can choose to install them every day or wait a week or two if you like, but so far in my experience I haven't had any issues that would break my system. There was an issue on Arch with an os-prober package, that gave users who dual boot some issues, but they fixed that within a day or two. I'm not currently doing a dual boot, so I was able to avoid that. I guess you can expect anything to break, but I chose EndeavourOS over Manjaro in large part to it being more stable, therefore less of a headache for me! Hope that helps a little bit.

@brent there's no plan man, I'm just tinkering and learning where ever the wind takes me for now!
Solarmass Golden Girls is such a classic show too!

    Scotty-Trees sometimes where the wind blows is the best plan. I've been around since 3.999999 as well (or was there a 3.7 or 3.8 I kinda remember?) and I know you have helped a lot of people graciously who had a lot of problems. Talk to you later.

    Scotty-Trees I'd also like to shout-out and thank @Harvey for giving me the courage and the idea to post this here! 😆

    All part of the distrohoppers awareness campaign. People think its just harmless fun... Then you end up on EndeavourOS. You think that is your low, but you'll wind up trawling distrowatch at 2am for your next fix and installing Hannah Montana Linux.

      Harvey All part of the distrohoppers awareness campaign. People think its just harmless fun...

      Ah, distro hop in Gnome Boxes to your heart's content, but if the urge to make a bare metal install becomes overwhelming, take two aspirin and call your Distrohoppers Anonymous sponsor in the morning ...

      I've not done a lot of distro hopping over the years. I used Ubuntu 2006 to 2017, tried this and that for a few months, and then settled in on Solus.

      I take a look at different distros from time to time in Gnome Boxes, but the thrill is gone rather quickly as I run into issues and read the community forums (the best way I know to understand a distro's structural/systemic weaknesses). I'm not tempted to distro hop for two reasons: (a) Solus Budgie is a near-perfect DE for me, and (b) I had 11 years using Ubuntu to bring me to the conclusion that the Debian/Ubuntu derivative path was a dead end in my case, and that cuts out a lot of distros that might otherwise catch my eye.

      I'm chiming in just to thank Scotty-Trees for his contributions to this community, and to wish him well.

      @brent @tomscharbach I'm not going anywhere lol! I'm just meaning since I'll be on EndeavourOS (for who knows how long, hours, weeks, months?), so I can and will still chat here and IRC and I'll help out here whenever I have any worthy input to offer. The only real difference is any unique little system breaking bugs that creep in (via new kernel or nvidia drivers usually) I won't be able to catch and report for y'all at the moment. This community is one of the best so of course I'll be sticking around, I'm still a Linux enthusiast at heart after all! In For now you'll just have to have @Harvey catch all the bugs on unstable for y'all first 😛 You guys crack me up btw, but also thanks very much for the kind words, I greatly appreciate it!

        Solarmass My current laptop SSD is like 80% full, so it's kind of no bueno to dual boot at the moment otherwise I would just do that. If I installed any Steam games, this SSD wouldn't even cut it (only Minecraft installed atm)! But for now it's all I got; no spare hard drives and I don't have any extra laptops laying around otherwise of course I'd use that. Now if you have any spare hardware you want to donate, well then now we're talking! 😆

          • EndeavourOS (Arch)
          • Garuda Dr460nized Gaming (Arch)
          • Manjaro Gnome (Arch)
          • antiX (Debian)
          • Debian (Debian)
          • Clear Linux (independent)
          • Solus (independent)
          • Fedora Silverblue (Red Hat)
          • Elementary (Ubuntu)
          • Feren OS (Ubuntu)
          • Linux Mint (Ubuntu)
          • Ubuntu (Ubuntu)
          • UbuntuDDE (Ubuntu)
          • Zorin OS (Ubuntu)

          Scotty-Trees Side note, my hats off to the PopOS team btw, if you don't mind static releases in a Ubuntu-base (without all the Canonical baggage, FYI), they put out one of the most polished distros, especially great for Nvidia users & gamers (an MX150 user myself).

          I always wanted to try PopOS, but then again it is just a yet another distro based on Ubuntu. There is nothing wrong with that at all but I don't like the fixed release model of ubuntu (more specifically debian as ubuntu itself is based on debian). I also tried Arch, Manjaro, Endeavour etc..etc.. all of those arch based distros, but I abandoned those as I don't have that much time (or sanity) to fix some errors and setup the OS. Also I couldn't at all use the AUR as I was always skeptical about it and I couldn't use any software from there without a pinch of fear. And with each arch update, there was that fear of breaking my setup. Ofcourse I could fix the issues, but still I don't wanna go throught that hassle.

          Only Solus and Opensuse TW are the two distros that I think I could use. As Solus is stable as a rock while being a rolling distro and has that out-of-box experience. And on the other hand, OpenSUSE TW is also rolling while somehow being 100% more stable than arch. Also I just love snapper and yast in openSUSE. I currently planning to use Opensuse TW on my laptop while solus being on the main desktop computer. So for answering this thread's topic, I would use Opensuse TW if Solus wasn't here anymore (which I hope will never happen 😉).

            Infamous711

            I also tried Arch, Manjaro, EndeavourOS etc..etc.. all of those arch based distros, but I abandoned those as I don't have that much time (or sanity) to fix some errors and setup the OS.

            I can't argue with that, not all of us have the time or the need/want to spend extra time setting up or fixing things. As for myself, Solus only ever required like 2-3 additional commands and I'm up and running with that out of the box experience where things just work. EndeavourOS doesn't have nearly as much installed or turned on by default (they leave most of that up to the user), so I had to do at least two dozen or more different commands and .conf file edits before I got it working to get that out of the box feeling. Granted, their wiki solved 90% of my issues and their forums solved the other 10%, so now that I know what to do, it would only take me like 10 minutes to do again if I did a fresh install. But by all accounts, Solus is the easier set up hands down for sure.

            Infamous711 Also I couldn't at all use the AUR as I was always skeptical about it and I couldn't use any software from there without a pinch of fear.

            I'm no expert, still very much learning of course, but from my understanding many things on Arch repos first started out in the AUR and once they got stable and/or popular enough that got added into the main repos. As long as you inspect the pkgbuild and know what to look for and know what you're doing, the AUR is not something to fear, but I understand your hesitancy. I don't use the AUR unless I have to, and for certain things I don't have any other choice, but you can see who maintains it, see if they maintain any other packages as well, see if other users have commented anything about it, and have other users (up)vote a package to help other users out. Is it a perfect system? Probably not, but like I said I'm no AUR expert, but so far I'm taking my time, asking any questions I can, and making sure I'm doing things the right way.

            Infamous711 And with each arch update, there was that fear of breaking my setup. Of course I could fix the issues, but still I don't wanna go through that hassle.

            I don't quite have the same issue, in the sense that I try to be like methodically cautious. Do I expect things to break? From time to time, of course. Do I also expect things to be fixed or reverted? Definitely. But I suppose just from a bit of experience, I generally know what packages could be system breaking, like the mainline kernel, nvidia driver updates, xorg, systemd and a handful of other packages that if I see an update for them, I'll hold off updating for a day or two and see if anyone reports any issues. Usually any point releases of these are fine to update, it's just when it's a major update that I'll definitely wait for any reports to hit the wall. On the Solus Unstable branch, you may run into a bug from time to time no doubt, but it's not usually system breaking, if ever. And for anything like that, the Devs have always been extremely responsive to resolve the issue.

            Infamous711 Only Solus and Opensuse TW are the two distros that I think I could use.

            I actually used openSUSE Tumbleweed right before EndeavourOS for some of the reasons you mentioned, but I found it a bit more like a haven for developers than just a simple average user like myself. Nothing wrong with that at all, I think I was just looking for something I was already a bit more familiar with and there was a time many moons ago where I used Manjaro, so EndeavourOS seemed like a decent compromise at the time. If I was more technically inclined I'm sure I could settle on openSUSE just as well. I agree it's a great distro to consider and YaST is a wonderful piece of software no doubt!

            Infamous711 So for answering this thread's topic, I would use Opensuse TW if Solus wasn't here anymore (which I hope will never happen 😉).

            Don't worry Solus isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so keep on keeping on and enjoy Solus on the high seas of the open source waters for many, many more years to come! P.S. I didn't intend to write this much, my bad! 😛

            I use Solus, Manjaro, and Linux Mint on three different machines. Solus on an HP Compaq Elite 8300, Manjaro on an Acer14 Chromebook, and Linux Mint on a MintBox Mini Pro2

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            I would most likely go back to the more mainstream ones:

            Solus -> openSUSE (TW) -> Kubuntu -> Fedora (KDE)

            I like a lot of things about Fedora, but the out of the box KDE experience is so much worse than Solus/openSUSE/Kubuntu.

            If none of these would work out, it would most likel be something Arch based like EndeavourOS or Manjaro, maybe even Arch proper.

            Well, I have been running Linux Mint right along, from ca. 17.2 or .3 up through 20.2. So I guess if Solus didn't exist, then apart from LM, I guess either Ubuntu or maybe even something like openSUSE.

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            Scotty-Trees i have tried endeavourOS on a vm, and discovered that it doesnt have a graphical package manager! 😮 this was tough for a novice user like me. So i feel endeavour is mostly restricted to command line Enthusiasts.

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              Lucien_Lachance No, it's just an "Arch with an installer" kind of deal. Everything else is Arch upstream.

              [deleted] Well it's a bad idea in general to use anything Arch-based if one's terrified of the command line.