Observations after three days with Budgie 10.10 (to come in Solus)

brent

That's 3 days in Wayland only--a first for me. I'm in the Endeavour Budgie which I just made my new backup.
Wayland is a whole new animal.
I like it.
I am no longer scared or hesitant to try it but I will not kid you: it has hiccups but most can be worked around and are very minor or soon-to-be-fixed.

The biggest knock is these light-topped windows. They haven't figured this out yet afaik. Most windows, not all windows. KeepassXC is fine, for instance.

I haven't moved beyond the stock arc-dark and quogir theming. It's fine.

I was too inept to use Crystal Dock (bunch of empty holes in dock) and too stupid for Cairo....so I time traveled back to 2017 and used the Budgie dock panel. I'm happy. Just like 2017 you can't pin all your flatpaks in there but most. Was going to try to figure it out and it required manual edit of a .desktop file according to an Internets fix.

but Wayland does not like GUI text editors like X11 does. I can't just sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/librewolf.desktop anymore. It won't open. Vim or Nano only. That's cool it was do-able.

Wayland is friendly with Gnome apps, mostly. gnome-screenshot does not work but budgie-screenshot did. gnome-disks and gnome-system-monitor work fine.
Small bugs I've reported to Buddies with immediate help. I am just learning my way.

Video playback mostly the same. No overt weirdness. Graphics the same. Music just fine.

Wayland is slower than X11. Navigating folders, mounted drives, double clicks all a noticeable (nanosecond?) bit slower. But I have an older rig,

You can't get out of jams with XDG commands anymore if you were raised with them. I don't know how this works with labwc.

MY DIAGNOSIS: I can't wait til this gets to Solus. After 9 years in X11, Wayland is just fine. Minor bumps but Buddies has been on them close.
edit/typo

Axios

Its people like you that help make things better and communicate that to devs
Your good at seeing the little things.
This sounds stupid but youtube has become a tool for me.
If starting something new and get stumped about something you can usually find stuff their
and on you go found stuff on crystaldock but didnt watch.
When Solus gets it so we both on same page be happy give you some pointers.

Keep trucking.

brent

Axios This sounds stupid but youtube has become a tool for me.

I love it for that practical stuff too. I just started using containers and watch YT for a while last nignt about it

pomon

White rounded window title bars - you must have an openbox-3 or labwc directory in your theme.

Crystal-dosk. Getting rid of the space: Right-Click -> Edit Launchers -> Remove Separator or Launcher Separator.

Opening in gedit. I added entries to .bashrc:

export EDITOR="gedit"
export VISUAL="gedit".

Reload: source .bashrc.
I forgot to add how to use it. For example:

 sudoedit /usr/share/applications/librewolf.desktop

Axios

pomon Your da man for CLI in linux...lol

brent

pomon White rounded window title bars - you must have an openbox-3 or labwc directory in your theme.

How do I do this exactly, to get rid of the white tops? simply go to repo?
Thank you.

brent

pomon Install openbox-arc-git from AUR. nothing changed. gotta go to work will play with it later, thanks

pomon

brent It's not about a theme named "openbox". The theme must contain an openbox-3 or labwc directory. Examples of such themes in Solus are Pocillo or Qogir:

ls /usr/share/themes/Pocillo-dark/
COPYING  gtk-3.0  gtk-4.0  index.theme  labwc
ls /usr/share/themes/Pocillo-dark/labwc/
close.xbm  iconify.xbm  max_toggled.xbm  max.xbm  themerc

brent

pomon On it, thanks for getting back.

brent

pomon

Wayland is so bad about permissions. Sh%$ I could do in three seconds in X11 I can't do at all here.**
lscommand laughs in my face.
I can't create a 'labwc directory' folder inside anything because permissions. Even when I am sudo it won't let me do anything.
sudo ls /usr/share/themes/pocillo-gtk-theme-git
bash: /usr/share/themes/pocillo-gtk-theme-git
[sudo] password for brent:
meson-fixes.patch PKGBUILD pocillo-gtk-theme-git src
bash: bash:: command not found

**mo at Buddies did explain to me nicely something like "labwc does not see persmissions at all like X11 saw them." Once I get my head around that I should be OK.

right click has always (4 days) been a permission bust in Wayland:

In fact, the only success I had was downloading pocillo-dark theme from AUR then sudo cp-ing it the /usr/share/themes folder.
After that I am hamstrung.

Please help me solve these white tops when you have time, thank you.

pomon

brent
How did you end up with pocillo-gtk-theme-git in /usr/share/themes/? That’s just a build package for Arch, not the actual theme.

Don't move stuff to / if you don't know what's in it. Trash it.
Pocillo is an Ubuntu set adapted for Solus. I thought Endeavour had it, but apparently not. Just install something available, like: sudo pacman -S matcha-gtk-theme.
If you're copying themes manually, use ~/.themes or ~/.local/share/themes.
For AUR, use yay, paru, or download the tarball—but always as a regular user.

As for ls / showing nothing? That's weird.

Harvey

Wayland doesn't have literally anything to do with file permissions.

brent

Harvey Wayland doesn't have literally anything to do with file permissions.

what does then? just trying to understand

EbonJaeger

In this case, it's because ls isn't in the system's PATH variable for the user you're trying to sudo as; in this case, root. That's prolly just how Arch and friends do things.

Wayland has to do with application windows; the displaying and positioning of them, and interacting with them (input handling, etc). Anything outside of that will not be related to Wayland or X11.

brent

EbonJaeger Anything outside of that will not be related to Wayland or X11.

I think I'm confusing labwc then?
ps thank for getting back

psymage

EbonJaeger

Assuming that's the case, that's really odd to not have ls in the PATH variable. That's such a basic command.

brent

EbonJaeger . That's prolly just how Arch and friends do things.

that's going to be my biggest challenge right now...discerning whether to take which hiccups to which doorstep (Endeavour or Budgie)?
I roll on.

Harvey

Most distros do not ship Budgie 10.10.x

Ubuntu 26.04 it isn't actually released until April 2026. Fedora Rawhide is a development version aka not stable. Arch usually just update to whatever the latest version is regardless.

LTS distros have merge windows if new packages are needed or something has ABI changes you need to get it in before that window closes or it is rejected. In which case you get to wait for the next LTS, years later. That would not be good for the likes of Ubuntu Budgie.

EDIT: Additionally some distros are looking to deprecate DEs that have 0 Wayland support.

I guess what I'm saying is, its almost like you shouldn't really be using Budgie 10.10 right now. If only someone like Evan, Solus's maintainer for Budgie+XFCE and core contributor to Budgie decided not to ship it to Solus users to prevent the headache... Oh wait.

Btw Fedora Rawhide works.

brent

Harvey Btw Fedora Rawhide works.

fedora was the staging ground for budgie/wayland, all planned with a lot of investment (from the top of food chain to bottom over there).

Harvey I guess what I'm saying is, its almost like you shouldn't really be using Budgie 10.10 right now.

on Arch I feel it's 90%. One of their (endeavour) devs said this to me the same as you.

Harvey , Solus's maintainer for Budgie+XFCE and core contributor to Budgie decided not to ship it to Solus users to prevent the headache... Oh wait.

🙂 I speculated once, here, that why would we bother with 10.10 and go straight to 11 (wait it out)? No one replied; perhaps rhetorical

thanks for the great reply. 10.10x is in the wild for sure. I like it 93%. With 7% headaches.

brent

pomon or AUR, use yay, paru, or download the tarball—but always as a regular user.

permissions are tricky on Wayland. my hands are tied without sudo. I'm learning.

Solarmass just wait for 10.10.2, some nasty bugs were fixed and pocillo theme should be built-in I heard

yeah read the blog and am excited about that.

brent

pomon " Pocillo is an Ubuntu set adapted for Solus. I thought Endeavour had it, but apparently not. Just install something available, like: sudo pacman -S matcha-gtk-theme."

also you were kinda wrong....in endeavour arc-dark and qogir-dark are the default themes. Qogir-dark itself, as you said it would, in fact did not do anything for the White Top problem at all--the stock distro was born with the white top problem.
but what you were absolutely right about was Qogir is key.... yesterday I switched from stock qogir-dark and for the halibut I changed it toqogir-light.

To my surprise all the white tops disappeared. POOF. And for "-light" it lightened nothing, which was good.
We solved the White Top problem together 🙂.

Yes I will trash that pocillo AUR package I copied.

That all said I prefer the pocillo dark better than qogir so I will gladly wait for 10.10.2 as far as Endeavour goes.
Thanks for all your help and putting up with my flailing. edit/typo

Solarmass

just wait for 10.10.2, some nasty bugs were fixed and pocillo theme should be built-in I heard 😉