i like the new forum. i was thinking of running Solus on an Intel Hates Canyon NUC (CUK Hades Canyon NUC Premium VR Mini Desktop Gaming PC Intel i7-8809G, 32GB RAM, 2x500GB NVMe RAID, AMD Radeon RX Vega M GH), which i posted in the old forums under a music production post title and was advised that it would require heavily modifying the kernel and that i could submit a bug report. i am new to Linux, i have not downloaded it or used it and i do not have a NUC. i have purchased unsupported hardware for music production in the past and was very unhappy, so i am trying to avoid that and also design my ideal system which i can not afford at the moment.
this system should be a good tuned performer, quiet and energy efficient
I don't understand why Solus won't work on the NUC as is. anyhow, is it good practice to submit a bug report under these circumstances; when i don't have the hardware?
here is a Hackintosh thread too https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/hades-canyon-macos-and-you-nuc8i7hvk-and-nuc8i7hnk.263093/

Straight up the raid won't be supported, Solus won't install onto it. NVMe SSDs are blazingly fast as it is and I don't think you'll get much faster using RAID.

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    Justin Straight up the raid won't be supported, Solus won't install onto it. NVMe SSDs are blazingly fast as it is and I don't think you'll get much faster using RAID.

    Thanks for the response. the reason i was interested in Solus was because i thought it would be more efficient than Linux distros. i am going on the description of Solus as an OS more than it is a distro. part of that was that i thought there might be aspects to Linux that were not as efficient as they could be.
    Listening to the Linux Unplugged Podcast, the was a point made by Wimpy or Popi that this NUC was listed on some site, i think it was a gaming site, as the third best performer. i think the site was monitoring the computers that were connected to the site. that seem incredible to me, because the NUC must have been going up against some massive gaming computers. so i am thinking it might have been able to accomplish this with various forms tuning, perhaps RAID 0 (or what ever RAID that increases speed). i am not very technical compared with the people on this site, so any comments are helpful. the fact that NVMe drives are so fast anyhow, is helpful and i may not need that speed for music production. still, it seems that Solus is about efficiency, it seems like having it run on efficient hardware might be helpful and having the ability to use that hardware in the most efficient way might be in line with building and running efficient hardware and software. i know that is easy for me to say when others are the ones that do the work. i figure i am bordering on being insensitive or rude, my apologies if i came across this way. my intention is to figure out a good performing efficient system of hardware and software to do music production, so maybe running Solus on a NUC isn't that system or maybe it is.
    i'll just say that my late 2013 iMac 27 i5 with a spinning 3TB disk is no longer running well enough. i believe if reload the OS it will probably work ok. i am not sure how to investigate what system to build in the future. i guess what i'd do is choose hardware that will support what i want to do on some distro, maybe a light version of Kubuntu or Fadora Jam and try Solus too and see what works best and keep checking in here to see if Solus runs on these top of the line NUCs

      I HIGHLY doubt music production would even touch the performance of a good NVMe SSD. Video production maybe. Most audio/video setups I've heard of are using a simple standard drive to boot and then use their fast NVMe/RAID devices as a second drive for storage/production.

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      i just happened to listen to The Linux Unplugged podcast episode: 254 Don't Link To This (that's the title) and at minute 41, Martin Wimpres (not sure about the spelling) discusses full hardware acceleration in Ubuntu on this model of NUC for about 5 minutes or more, all the different bits that provide full hardware acceleration that was discussed with Intel, or at least those who sell NUCs, if i understand correctly. while i may be able to do music production without full hardware acceleration, this seems like it would be be desirable at some point in time. alternately it might be nice to know which NUC gets the best bang for the buck in Solus. the lowest cost NUC is probably a few hundred dollars, where as the most expensive one that i am looking at is just under $2000, i think. if i get the same performance with any NUC with a M.2 NVMe, perhaps i could save $1000 on hardware. i guess this specific of a question, i need to research myself, so when i figure it out, i'll post it. anyone interested in this, Martin gave what sounded to be a complete outline as to get it working as good as possible. i am not in a hurry in the least, i am just working out what i would do. i may end up going a complete different direction, building a computer or some sort of fast ARM computer, if one comes out.
      thanks Justin for all the guidance. i like the idea of working on a project in a different drive than the music production program is in. this is best practice for music production. i guess the idea is that one drive is reading and the other is writing, that's what my non technical mind told me, i don't know that its true.:

      ARM is only really used in Raspberry Pi's (mostly) in the desktop scene, they're no competition (currently) to x86_64 processors. AMD are releasing new chips very soon that are seriously powerful and really budget friendly

      Martin Wimpress is a good guy, he worked with Ikey on the early MATE implementation in Solus I believe.

      As far as Ubuntu hardware acceleration on the NUCs did he go into specifics? It may already be enabled on Solus.

      HI,
      Martin discussed working with Ikey in the LUP podcast and Ikey was a frequent guest on the podcast as well, for about six months. i am listening to these podcasts from a year or 2 ago.
      ok; Martin: "the GPU is a Vega M, so the code comes from AMD. (this is Ubuntu Martin was talking about) the necessary kernel drivers are in the 4.18 kernel." i should state that the episode is from 2018 Jun 19. "the micro code for the RX Vega M GPU, should be available in the up stream Linux Firmware Git repository and is in the AMD staging Git repository, as of the weekend before 2018 Jun 19

      continuing the paraphrase from Martin:
      "and Mesa 18.1.1 or newer is needed, the Ubuntu Main Line Kernel PPA has 4.18 RC-1 in it, so you can go and grab that kernel and Teemo Altonin, the maintainer for the graphics stack in Ubuntu up dated Mesa in 18.04 but has prepped the new enablement stack and Mesa 18.1.1 is in the X updates PPA, so just by turning on a couple of PPAs and installing a different kernel, doing the Mesa updates and adding the micro code into lib firmware AMD GPU, you can do this. for this thing to really fly, it needs Mesa 18.2, currently (as of 2018 Jun 19), in development. the Mesa upgrade should be complete before this weekend (back then in June).
      once you know what needs doing, doing it is really quite straight foreword. by Ubuntu 18.04 all the necessary bits and pieces should be landed, in order for this to function, but what i am talking to some people at work about is everything you need should be in 18.10, the resellers of NUCs have contacted Ubuntu to ask for help enabling this because, it turns out, lots of Linux users have been buying them. the other thing to add is the LVFS Project re this device, supports this, so i was able to to do all the firmware and updates all through FWUPD"
      end of Martin's paraphrase

      i hope this makes sense, it doesn't to me. lol :

      I guess the LVFS project supports the Hades Canyon NUC with the firmware and up dates across distros. since Solus isn't a distro but an OS, i am not sure LVFS supports Solus, or if all this was handled by the developers for Solus if LVFS doesn't support Solus. search turns up: https://dev.getsol.us/T2532 https://dev.getsol.us/T2532

      2018 Nov 20 09:59 PM DataDrake stated: fwupd represents an unprecedented ability to brick your machine. Until I am sure that we can deploy it with the appropriate safeties in place, it's not going in.
      me: Does that mean Solus and the LVFS Project don't play?
      to fully accelerate the Vega M GPU in the Hades Canyon NUC:

      1. does Solus have something equivalent to Ubuntu Main Line Kernel 4.18 RC-1 PPA? or 5.0.4 kernel?
      2. will it be helpful to install Mesa 18.2 or what ever the latest version of Mesa is in Solus?
      3. would it be helpful to instal AMD micro code for RX Vega M GPU from Git in Solus? what is git?
        thanks! 😀

      dbarron

      > Solus is a distribution, Linux/GNU is an OS.

      great, thanks dbarron 😀 Ikey used to say on the Linux Unplugged podcast that Solus was not a distro, it was an OS. perhaps he was referring to amount of removing obsolete code from the Linux kernel he was removing? i'll assume Solus is built on the Linux kernel. maybe he was referring to the building of the budgie desktop. Do you (or anyone) know if that means that when DataDrake was referring fwupd "not going in", DataDrake was referring to a curated list of applications for Solus, therefor, can i instal Solus on a Hades Canyon NUC, go to the cross distro LVFS Project, download, instal and configure FWUPD for the AMD micro code and the latest version of Mesa for this NUC and my GPU will be fully hardware accelerated?
      i left out the part about the Ubuntu PPA. is whatever Martin was referring to in the Ubuntu Main Line Kernel 4.18 RC-1 now part of Solus, meaning that there is nothing else i'd need? i think someone said in reply to another of my posts here before the look of this site changed that i would need to rebuild the kernel to run Solus on this NUC. i guess i'll contact Martin, if no one responds here, and post it here. i am not sure how far i'll take this project.

        dbarron Solus is an OS, built on GNU tools and the Linux kernel.

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          So, amidst all the discussion about Compatibility with Hades Canyon, nobody replied or knows whether Solus will work on Hades Canyon or not. I am trying to install one on it right now. No Raid, just straight up 1TB NVME,

          I disabled Secure boot, but USB UEFI refuses to load in order for me to even start or attempt the install process.
          What gives ? some/any help would be appreciated.

            regmem you can just type "Hades Canyon Linux" in Google and have your answer immediately... 😀