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Staudey

tomscharbach FWIW I have "name more reasonable system requirements" on my ToDo list for when we update the website (this was born out of a previous discussion). The "minimum 10 GB of disk space" we have posted currently are just no longer realistic.

brent

Staudey tomscharbach tom the answer you got at ubuntu was fantastic: the numbers are based on how many apps a desktop user will accumulate in 2 years. brilliant. that is interesting.
system requirement are completely arbitrary and meaningless to me, personally, and I'll just talk about Solus.
2017-2019 I ran Solus off a 32GB usb stick with 4GB memory, and it was not too doggy.
when I could buy another 4, 8GB was better.
Now I'm back with a 500GB caviar platter and 16 GB and I can stream Michael Scott singing Goodbye Toby and play SuperTuxCart.
point? it's really not that different than the 32GB usb stick with 4GB mem...Michael Scott singing Goodbye Toby might've spooled for half a second back more back then...

tomscharbach

brent System requirement are completely arbitrary and meaningless to me, personally, and I'll just talk about Solus.

I think that "realistic" depends on the user.

My 11-3180 railroad Solus Plama build is just under 14 GB (500 MB EFI, 4 GB swap, 9.5 GB EXT4). Solus Plasma OTB, remove Firefox, Konversation, KConnect and Thunderbird, add Edge Flatpak. 1 GB user data.

My normal Solus Plasma build (on the 7390 portable M.2 external) is just under 41 GB (500 MB EFI, 4 GB swap, 35.5 GB EXT4). Solus Plasma OTB, remove Firefox, Konversation, KConnect and Thunderbird, add Edge Flatpak, Zoom Flatpack, Aisleriot, Mahjongg and a few other toys. 21 GB user data.

For me, that (15 GB +/- on a minimal use computer and 40-50 GB for daily use) is what is realistic.

I can get down under 15 GB and still have a usable Plasma build for internet browsing, document reading and a small subset of my data, but I would be really hard pressed to get down to 10 GB even if I dumped the data and slashed and burned my way through the remaining packages.

WetGeek

tomscharbach I can get down under 15 GB and still have a usable Plasma build for internet browsing, document reading and a small subset of my data, but I would be really hard pressed to get down to 10 GB even if I dumped the data and slashed and burned my way through the remaining packages.

You'd need to abandon Solus (which I'm not recommending, just theorizing) and use something like a Fedora derivitive instead. My Ultramarine Budgie VM uses 8.86GB, and that's not stripped down. Besides the default installed software, it also has the Micro editor, nfs-common, Thunderbird, Vivaldi, Aisleriot, kshisen, and gnome-mahnongg installed.

Since my Solus Plasma VM is considerably smaller than my Solus Budgie VM, with the leanest Fedora edition and a Plasma DE, I'm guessing you'd end up with a very small system. With the smallest SSD you could buy, there'd be plenty of room for data.

WetGeek

tomscharbach I'm not quite sure why Fedora builds are relevant to the question of what the team should establish as minimum disk drive requirements for installing Solus

I'm not sure, either, but that's not what I was trying to find out. I'm sorry if I gave you that impression.

tomscharbach I understand that you run your VM's off the NAS server and store your data in the server, as well

That's not quite true. The only thing my NAS has to do with my VMs is that's where the .ISO files I download are stored. Everything else having to do with the VMs is in the /home directory on my laptop, where VirtualBox puts it by default.

tomscharbach I can get down under 15 GB and still have a usable Plasma build for internet browsing, document reading and a small subset of my data, but I would be really hard pressed to get down to 10 GB even if I dumped the data and slashed and burned my way through the remaining packages.

Your comment that you probably couldn't get an installation down to 10GB inspired me to find out just how hard it would be to actually do that. I knew it couldn't be done with Solus, but I believed that Fedora might be able to do that with a Plasma DE. Turns out, I was right, and no slashing and burning was needed.

I was also thinking about @Axios' 32GB drive and the one originally in my Travelmate. Neither of us could update those machines until we changed from Windows to Linux. The smaller the OS, the more room there would be for user data.

stalebrim

tomscharbach My daily driver root takes 16 gigs currently.

tomscharbach

WetGeek You'd need to abandon Solus ...

Exactly. That's why the website's next iteration is going to up the minimum requirement from 10 GB to something more in line with reality.

I'm not sure that the minimum recommendation is a real-world problem for anyone who is not dual booting, because it is almost impossible to buy a computer with less than 128 GB, unless you are looking at the cheapest Chromebooks (32 GB) or Windows laptops (64 GB).

As Axios pointed out, 32 GB is a bit iffy if you want to do more than surf the web, so I'd recommend that the website up the minimum recommendation above that, but 64 GB is probably more than enough for most people. Maybe suggest 35 GB as a working minimum but follow Ubuntu Budgie's lead and suggest 60 GB as a realistic minimum?

WetGeek

I was curious enough to download Fedora 36 KDE and create a VM. It's now in the process of installing 986 upgrades, and I haven't installed any additional software yet. When the update is finished, I'll install the software I usually use to create a daily-driver (Thunderbird, Vivaldi, etc... ).

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Update is finished. Now to install some optional software. With both Thunderbird and Vivaldi (fully sync'd) both installed, the VM is 8.22GB out of a 32GB virtual drive. I may decide to continue installing a bit more (games), but it's past my bedtime now, and they won't add a great deal to what's already installed.

And I haven't removed any of the original software -- kmail, Firefox, or anything else. If the installation were aimed at a specific purpose, probably a lot of what's there could be removed,

tomscharbach

WetGeek I'm not quite sure why Fedora builds are relevant to the question of what the team should establish as minimum disk drive requirements for installing Solus, but I'll ask the question anyway (about both Ultramarine Budgie and Fedora 36 KDE): How closely do you think your 8-9 GB VM's reflect reality for an "ordinary home desktop" user? Fedora 36 recommends a minimum of 20 GB for a base installation, and my guess is that many "ordinary home desktop" users exceed that number in the real world.

Real world experience with Solus is probably the relevant question for the team. Right now the recommended minimum is 10 GB. Realistic? Axios reports that his install on a 32 GB drive leaves 5 GB free, so that presumably means that his installation is about 25 GB. Stalebrim reports that his "root takes 16 gigs currently", so adding 4.5 GB for the EFI and standard Swap partitions brings him up to 20-21 GB. My two installs are about 14 GB for the stripped-down installation and about 41 GB (about 20-21 GB if data is not counted) for my daily driver. My guess is that 20-25 GB of disk space is typical for most Solus users, plus whatever is used for data.

What is your real world experience? I understand that you run your VM's off the NAS server and store your data in the server, as well, so if you add up your EFI partition (typically 500 MB), your Swap partition (typically 4 GB) and your /root, you'll have a reasonably accurate estimate of how much space Solus is using on your hard drive. What is the size of your Latitude installation? What about the Travelmate? How would that change if you were set up as an "ordinary home desktop" user, that is, stored your data on your computer rather than on the NAS?

We are wandering far off track at this point. I think that I'm going to start a new thread concerning the minimum requirement recommendation, since @Staudey is thinking about it right now.

brent

tomscharbach I think that I'm going to start a new thread concerning the minimum requirement recommendation, since @Staudey is thinking about it right now.

I can't shake that Ubu dev and what he said to you: presumed/estimated package downloads on a 24 month timeline are the baseline for where they set specs for an 'official' amt of room reccomended.
Is that a realistic baseline for all distros? I think yes and no. Look forward to the other thread.

stalebrim

tomscharbach My root is Fedora though.

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