Press power button twice to shut down?

brent

tomscharbach between you an @Solarmass I feel I got 3 college credits...it's good to know there's not a lot of residual damage...press and hold the only option in some scenarios though...and i set my own Solus power button to do nothing when pressed as well

edit: "I avoid using the power button at all to shut down" Me too, I think it's been years since I've tried that.

tomscharbach

brent "I avoid using the power button at all to shut down" Me too, I think it's been years since I've tried that.

It just makes sense to close apps and then shut down through the OS because an OS shutdown allows the OS to journal, shut down processes and services, save data, and otherwise shut down in an orderly way. Although consumer-level operating systems, as well as desktops and laptops, are designed to be more-or-less idiot proof, why push it? The old ways are sometimes the best ways.

Having said that, I don't see any problem with idea of having the power button open a menu (perhaps shutdown/restart/sleep/hibernate), keeping control of the shutdown process within the operating system. I wouldn't use it, but it is better than nothing.

Solarmass

tomscharbach I avoid using the power button at all to shut down.

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I recently started to avoid using the power button to power ON my PC! 😆

I wonder how many linux people just use a Terminal to poweroff PC 🤔️

tomscharbach

Solarmass I wonder how many linux people just use a Terminal to poweroff PC 🤔️

In the horse and buggy days, we shut down with terminal commands, following a checklist. I wouldn't be surprised if enterprise-level servers are still shut down using terminal commands. but it has been years and years since I've had anything to do with servers.

WetGeek

tomscharbach orderly shutdown, closing all apps and using the OS to shut down

I'm all for the orderly shutdown, using the power icon in the Plasma menu. But Plasma offers the option to start the next session with the applications that were running in the previous session, so I don't shut those down before I do the orderly (a.k.a. polite) shutdown.

And the polite shutdown sends a message to each running app telling it to shutdown, so it has a chance to do that properly.

For newer Plasma users, note that this feature isn't turned on by default. In the System Settings, the Startup and Shutdown sub-menu makes this feature available. When turned on, Plasma even researts each application in its original workspace when you reboot. Strangely, Vivaldi is the only app that doesn't restart automatically for me.

tomscharbach

WetGeek But Plasma offers the option to start the next session with the applications that were running in the previous session ...

I think that is called hibernation in the real world, saving the pre-shutdown state as part of the shutdown process. Windows now defaults ("Fast Boot") to hibernation, and a user has to change the default to get an old-style shutdown. I prefer a complete shutdown, so I change the default. User convenience is overrated.

WetGeek

tomscharbach I think that is called hibernation in the real world, saving the pre-shutdown state as part of the shutdown process.

I've never seen the code, but that sounds very likely. However it's accomplished, it's a really wonderful feature.

tomscharbach

WetGeek I've never seen the code, but that sounds very likely. However it's accomplished, it's a really wonderful feature.

You can review various shutdown options in this article. Hibernation (described about halfway through the article) shuts down the computer, preserving the state and writing to the disk before shutting down. On boot the state is written from the disk into RAM so that the computer boots into the state immediately preceding shutdown.

Windows hibernation works the same was a Linux hibernation.

It is convenient, I suppose, but it seems to me that it has a downside. Because hibernation isn't a complete shutdown (in the sense that the state is preserved) over time it will slow down the system just as leaving a computer on for weeks and weeks will slow down the system. Hibernation preserves cruft, and that is the downside.

Solarmass

I hate it when I accidentally click on Hibernate or Suspend 🤬️🤬️🤬️
I wish there was a setting to remove these items from the Menu.

tomscharbach

Solarmass I hate it when I accidentally click on Hibernate or Suspend 🤬️🤬️🤬️ I wish there was a setting to remove these items from the Menu.

Yup. Plasma doesn't have a way that I can find. Windows permits me to remove both Hibernate and Sleep from the Power menu and I've done that on by Windows laptop. No joy on Plasma. Worse yet, when I select Shut Down or Restart in Plasma, a screen appears showing an 10-second option to cancel, but I don't get that with Hibernate or Sleep. Click and die, so to speak.

tomscharbach

mike-ward Possible feature idea. Currently, pressing the power button brings up the shut-down dialog. Pressing the power button a second time would shut down the computer.

As an FYI, I found how to set up half the equation in Plasma, so I think I finally understand what you are getting at ...

Settings > System Settings > Power Management > Energy Savings > Button Events Handling > [Select] Prompt Logout Dialog sets the power button to bring up (as you note) the Shut Down menu. I missed that because I have the power button set to do nothing.

However, a second power button click doesn't shut the computer down. That has to be done using the Shut Down menu that pops up when you press the power button.

I'm not sure what pressing the power button a second time would do in the context of the Shut Down menu, because (at least in Plasma) the menu opens with all the options available, and the user has to select an option with the mouse anyway. Once selected, the option process (whatever it is) proceeds.

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