I am referring to the following article :
I would like other forum users opinion on this and suggestions for what can be done if anything . Thanks
I am referring to the following article :
I would like other forum users opinion on this and suggestions for what can be done if anything . Thanks
mw42815 run on separate drives with separate boots not unified boots and log in with F11 boot menu or set it to default to solus like I have. the end, pretty much. windows will still sabotage Solus, but not nearly as much as it would if the were on same drive.
my 2 cents
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mw42815 I would like other forum users opinion on this ...
Much ado about nothing.
Microsoft marketed a "Signature Edition" of OEM computers on the Microsoft Store for a year or two during the early years of Windows 10. The "Signature Edition" computers cost more than the identical OEM version sold elsewhere. The idea was to sell computers with "pure Windows", eliminating OEM-installed bloatware and fine-tuning for Windows 10 performance. The effort lasted for a year or two, but not longer, and the "Signature Edition" program is defunct. Windows 10 "Signature Edition" computers have not been marketed for several years, and there is no "Signature Edition" equivalent for Windows 11.
The bottom line: A small number of some "Signature Edition" Lenovo models sold on the Microsoft Store modified firmware in such a way as to prevent installation of other operating systems, including Linux. Lenovo, as far as I know, was the only OEM that modified firmware in this manner, and the modifications were present in only a few Lenovo laptop models sold. Other OEM's did not, so most "Signature Edition" computers were not affected.
mw42815 ... and suggestions for what can be done if anything.
My suggestions are simple:
(1) Don't panic or spread panic. The issue affects only a small number of Lenovo laptops sold 2016-2018 on the Microsoft Store. The issue is not widespread. Almost all computers sold during the Windows 10 era, including almost all Lenovo computers, will run Linux just fine.
(2) Take your responsibility to other members of the forum seriously. This forum is not Twitter, Parlar or Truth Social. Stop, breath, think -- and get your facts straight -- before posting six-year-old "breaking news" that, upon even cursory examination, is much ado about nothing.
(3) Ask the moderators to change the title of this thread so that the title more closely aligns with reality.
tomscharbach - before posting six-year-old "breaking news" that, upon even cursory examination, is much ado about nothing.
my version cut out the middle man FUD and went straight into headache relief. you spared me from reading it now..
It's not just fake news after all:
The biggest European computer magazine "c't" (Heise publishing house, Germany) in its latest edition writes about the fact that Linux systems can boot using signatures on an activated Secure Boot UEFI system. But Microsoft has published an update that withdrew a lot of those signatures so that Linux systems aren't able to use them any more, resulting in the fact that they cannot boot on machines running Windows.
There is a work-around though, you can find the article (in German) here:
[https://www.heise.de/select/ct/2022/20/2223813341738463324]
SOLUSfiddler It's not just fake news after all.
Sure it is. mw42815 wrote about a 5-6 year old, limited problem (firmware modified to make it impossible to use AHCI instead of RAID) affecting a few Lenovo models sold in the Microsoft Store, but not others, and headlined the thread ("Miicrosoft making it impossible to install Linux") in a way that suggests that the problem is both current and widespread.
SOLUSfiddler Linux systems can boot using signatures on an activated Secure Boot UEFI system. But Microsoft has published an update that withdrew a lot of those signatures so that Linux systems aren't able to use them any more, resulting in the fact that they cannot boot on machines running Windows.
A bit of an overstatement, to say the least. Microsoft requires any computer running Windows 11 to be Secure Boot capable, but Microsoft does not require that Secure Boot be enabled. Windows 11 computers also come with Bitlocker enabled in many/most cases. Both, along with the TPM-capable requirement imposed by Microsoft in connection with Windows 11, have been reported widely for well over a year now.
None of this means that Linux "cannot boot on machines running Windows", as you suggest.
Secure Boot can be disabled and Windows 11 will run with Secure Boot disabled. Bitlocker can be disabled, and Windows 11 will run with Bitlocker disabled. Disabling Secure Boot and/or Bitlocker (if enabled by the OEM manufacturing the computer, as is almost always the case with respect to Secure Boot and is becoming more common with respect to Bitlocker) requires user action, but we have been dealing with that for years in the Linux world. At least I have, because the Dell Optiplex and Latitude models that I use have both Secure Boot and Bitlocker enabled OTB and I have to disable both in order to run Solus.
The c't article reports a single change: Microsoft has "blacklisted" many/most Secure Boot shims, including older shims from maintstream distros like Ubuntu, and required new shims that comply with current Microsoft security standards. That isn't unreasonable, given the enterprise-level and enterprise-driven security measures taken by Microsoft with respect to Windows 11, and, as is the case with the Secure Boot, Bitlocker and TPM, Microsoft announced the change well in advance, and third-party vendors (e.g. Ubuntu) have had more than enough time to develop new shims and recertify, as Ubuntu did with 22.04.
None of this is ideal for Linux developers/maintainers, of course, and is inconvenient for users. But it isn't the end of the world, either, or evidence that "Microsoft making it impossible to install Linux", as the title of this thread hypes. Solus has never been compatible with Secure Boot, requires Secure Boot to be disabled in order to install, and runs fine alongside Windows 11.
I think that it would be inappropriate for Microsoft to make "it impossible to install Linux", but I think that it is equally inappropriate to demand that Microsoft ignore Microsoft considers appropriate security measures in order to accommodate Linux.
tomscharbach
Thanks for your detailed clarification! Learned and will keep learning.
I know that SOLUS needs Secure Boot to be disabled, and, yeah, it's just one hell of a stable Linux system! Thank you, guys!!