Building An Alternative Ecosystem

This is very good move in long term for us users at least I see it this way. As a long time GNOME user last version release was so bad, that I moved to Budgie and I love it. It's very intuitive and productive compared to GNOME 40 with lost it's all pros and started to become irritating. So, fingers crossed for You guys&gals.

Hi, all.

I think the linked post was really well explained and completely justified. It sounds like Solus is trying to embrace new technologies and drop main effort support for harder to maintain solutions. It's great to see the move towards Rust. I fully support the Devs/ team, and look forward to the future of the distro. Be great to see a rough roadmap, when things settle down.

Well done, all.

Chris
chris_debian
2E0FRU

This will be a big task, but I think the Solus team has demonstrated that they can put in years of consistent effort. This is exciting!

I'm super excited, especially for Budgie. As I've stated in other forums, I also think it would be super cool for increased collab between #TeamSolus and System76's Jeremy Soller and company. Jeremy is working on Redox OS and the thought of the potential synergy between these top shelf devs is truly exciting. Can't wait to see where this goes.

B and Josh, I think if you had one or two more (higher) monthly tiers at OpenCollective, individuals would support. I guess I can look if there is a name your monthly donation category too.

jppelt B and Josh, I think if you had one or two more (higher) monthly tiers at OpenCollective, individuals would support.

There's no upper limit on the Crew tier afaik. We don't have any plans for higher tiers at the moment, but we appreciate your support!

It's a very, very good idea.

I am all for it. Drop the 'crud' and move onward! ️

JoshStrobl I have faith that you will do what is best to keep the Budgie desktop environment flowing smoothly (It is in good hands).

I support @JoshStrobl in his decision as well. The point behind Linux is choice. Taking that away will make people go elsewhere. Can't wait to see Budgie 11.

Adding my support to Josh and Beatrice, agreed with the arguments presented and fully back the devs
decision to push forward in a new direction.
Its an exciting time to be part of the Solus community. Sadly I'm not a programming guru but you have my moral and if needed, financial support going forward. Go for it

The problem itself it is not theming... gnome devs are hard to work, a bit arrogant, and don't like different opinion, it doesn't look like a community project;
And theming is too the problem... system76 has offered help with theming, as some others, and they insist in not working together, they want to send their libadwaita down our guts, liking or not, and worst, they want it to be implemented as the only way to experience an GTK+ app... take as example KDE, they never forced anyone to use breeze, it is their main appearance, but you can change that easily within their config app, gnome actually has hidden this possibility from us.
Removing freedom of choice, is removing the essence of our community, the only choice is to move away, and wait.

as I understand it, GTK themes were always sort of a hack (?) but from a user perspective they always worked well. all the complaints I've heard about themes seem to follow a pattern of "well, it makes it hard to do x" without any questioning of whether it made sense to do x in the first place.

icon packs have wildly different ideas for their icons! our icon buttons in our GtkHeaderBars might not make sense!

I could rant about my issues with headerbars, but basically, GtkMenuBar doesn't have this problem and I don't see a good reason to move away from it.

users' themes will cause our custom styling to break!

who thought it was a good idea to allow GTK programs to override colours in the first place? what benefit does this give? I've yet to see a good example.

I always thought Adwaita was just a bit of a weird theme and headerbars a bit of a weird idea until I used a friend's recent Mac laptop and realised that Gnome is just trying to rip off MacOS. now it all makes sense and it's frankly pretty embarrassing. how about we just build something better than Mac or Windows instead of just copying?

@JoshStrobl Looking ahead as Budgie leaves GTK behind, what mail client do you envision being best integrated with your philosophy and outlook?

jppelt I can't speak for Josh, but I personally see no reason why we wouldn't stick with Thunderbird like we always have. It's GTK3 like Firefox and is unlikely to go to GTK4 any time soon. Even if it did, it's very unlikely Mozilla would choose to use libadwaita, which is the main sticking point with the other GTK applications in the Budgie Edition.

I will say what I said already on Twitter. I use Solus because I think it's especial. We often find friends because we see ourselves in them. It's the same with the OS, I want to see myself in my system. It's a long journey and I congratulate the Solus team on this step.

OK, This is BRILLIANT! I just started using Solus OS and absolutely love it. You can tell lots of care went into it's development! And I appreciate the move away from Gnome and GTK...more brilliance from the Solus Dev Team!

DataDrake good. I use Firefox and Thunderbird and have for years...although...I am making a move to Brave