Gnome 40 Question

brent

Will the advent of Solus Gnome 40 bring an update to Gnome Web? (We're at 3.34 Web and webkit 2.30.4).

This conversation between Josh and Justin at https://dev.getsol.us/T8197---about gnome web not storing passwords because of upstream issues with WebkitGTK. Which was right on the money:
https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2020/09/16/epiphany-3-38-and-webkitgtk-2-30/
--this is a 2020 article by gnome devs about this (Gnome Web 3.3.8 and webkitgtk 2.30 younger than our version.)
"Jan-Michael and Carlos Garcia have worked to ensure HTTP authentication passwords are now stored in Epiphany’s password manager rather than by WebKit, so they can now be viewed and deleted from Epiphany, which required some new WebKitGTK API to do properly. Unfortunately, WebKitGTK saves network passwords using the default network secret schema, meaning its passwords (saved by older versions of Epiphany) are all leaked:"

"passwords are now stored in Epiphany’s password manager rather than by WebKit," so if this is true, it's not a webkit problem and it is a seahorse (or something) problem?

Been LOVING this browser the last couple weeks. The password remember thing is irritating because it's about 75% broken...I can cut and past from Keepassxc so not a huge dealio. Just wondering if the browser becomes reborn like 40 is? Thanks

edit: note, with my limited linux background it's likely and possible I am not parsing what I am reading correctly.

Scotty-Trees

brent GNOME Web may or may not be in the repos of Solus when Gnome 40 comes out. Now I must stress I'm not a dev so I can't say for certain, but if it requires libhandy, then it will most likely get removed. IF it is removed and you don't fancy say Firefox or Vivaldi for whatever reason, do not worry much GNOME Web comes in a flatpak which will work find with Solus no matter the version - https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.gnome.Epiphany

Edit: Meant to add that the flatpak version of GNOME Web is already on v40, so you can test it out already and see how it works for you. Good luck!

EbonJaeger

I believe newer versions of Epiphany use libhandy, in which case I wouldn't hold my breath on it being updated in Solus.

brent

EbonJaeger webhandy didn't come up in that 2020 article but I know a lot changes in a year. I've seen read the DEVs' opinions on libhandy and I understand them and even share them. Thank you Ebon.

brent

EbonJaeger I can see that now in the changelog as well.

So my password problem is a Seahorse/keyring problem? Or is all that the tied to the upstream webkitgtk problems mentioned at the beginning?
I'm getting the feeling it is.
edit: scrubbed photo

brent

Going to install lib-gnome, python-keyring and see if I can't conjure freedesktop or ssh.

Seahorse (budgie settings) SEEs my saved Gnome-Web passwords.
Gnome Web strangely does not feel compelled to furnish those passwords at a login site.
***(Ironically Solus forum is the only place Gnome Web remembers a password at login).

I found a couple real difficult texts regarding Piping Keepass to Gnome Web.

How do I make the password feature work in the Gnome Web browser?

brent

so gnome-keyring-daemon is present, and active, and allegedly running the show.

from what I read gnome-session is the parent of this daemon but I don't have it--that's a Gnome thing

Makes me ask, though: does the password function in Gnome Web only work in Gnome?
How do I fix this in Budgie?
thanks

JoshStrobl

Most of the password management functionality is non-functional or mostly broken in older GNOME Web / Epiphany releases before the 3.35 dev releases. Chances are I'll probably just be nuking it from the repository given the lack of value-add. I'd suggest using a properly supported browser like Firefox that have objectively better security models and performance.

brent

JoshStrobl Firefox is my workhorse, but I love Epiphany's performance and look and lightness. Thanks for the info about this matter, I appreciate it. If it's broke upstream then nothing to see here--please mark SOLVED.

brent

Scotty-Trees I love Firefox and Epiphany has been a great #2 browser. Appreciate all that information as well, thank you. How would I know the broken password manager will be fixed in the Flatpak though?

JoshStrobl

brent How would I know the broken password manager will be fixed in the Flatpak though?

You wouldn't until you try it. It costs you nothing, you just run a command.

If it's broke upstream then nothing to see here

I didn't say it is broken, just that it was broken. Epiphany has been held back for a couple years now and it serves very little use being in the repository. libwebkit-gtk, which is the gtk "port" of webkit (developed by Apple), generally lags behind in standards adoptions and performance. You can get pretty close to the feel of Epiphany just by using a different firefox theme and customizing the main bar IMO, and the look of it should be a very minor reason to use it over the privacy and security improvements of using Firefox. Or say, the customization options of Vivaldi.

brent

JoshStrobl libwebkit-gtk, which is the gtk "port" of webkit (developed by Apple), generally lags behind in standards adoptions and performance.

pretty much the consensus of my research on webkit. I'd rather stay in repo, and Falkon is already in my rotation. I really like that one too. Like the FF main bar idea. I have long appreciated Firefox's security. But I'm liking a light browser to goof off (sports, journal articles) when I can goof off. Appreciate your feedback.