The Thirteenth Floor (1999) / World on a Wire (1973) (Way better if you speak German or can deal with subtitles) - both based off a book called Simulacron-3.

Anime:
Paprika (2006) - Inception but in anime
Megazone 23 (1989) 1&2

qk4-li3 To me "proper" Sci-Fi is earth- and human- centric. Space fantasies and UFOs and E.T.s are different thing.

disagree completely. I think anything not worldly, and clearly not (but sometimes can be) horror is sci-fi. How could Alien not be sci-fi? But Tremors can be ('human-centric')?

your source is even title dis 'definitions' with a plural for a reason🙂.

Brazil is dystopian future movie based real loosely on Orweil's masterpiece) and we both agree it belongs squarely in Sci-Fi as most of the brilliant mind of Gilliam's does. We could parse semantics all day, but I respect your commitment to the definition, and your unique take. I don't believe there can be true right or wrong anyway.
If it's a day that ends with a Y I am wrong about something!

      ender I'm going to give this a try because I love the time-travel sub-genre. Some is unplausible crap (butterfy effect) and some really is plausible.

      Speaking of the brilliant mind of T. Gilliam, I thought his 12 Monkey's was the greatest time travel movie ever made because 1) it was sensible and 2) a large degree of human error was built into it as it didn't pretend to be precise in any way. Sometimes you aim for 1917 and end up in the 40's.
      --I look forward to seeing Time Lapse on your rec.

          brent Cool comment.
          Not familiar with Tremors. But Alien as sci-fi film is a bit of a stretch, ha! smileyface, how do I manage to add smileyface here? 🇦 🇧 🇨 🇩 🇪 🇫 🇬

              qk4-li3 cool movie and definition.
              where would you classify all the spacecraft/ufo movies anyway. Fantasy or something similar?

                  brent "Space opera" (as like soap opera): Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica etc. "spacecraft" films. Could be also something like"Science- Fantasy". Includes some magical thinking: "May the force be with you" or whatnot, not very science based. Something like that.

                      qk4-li3 To me, SciFi is speculative fiction, and may contain any other genre.

                        elfprince I haven't watched the new Dune II yet

                        I haven't even watched the new Dune I yet, so I second that motion. Are these available only on YouTube?

                        Ahh ... I looked. Apparently just the trailers. So, theaters only at this point?

                            elfprince Dune I is on Netflix and Prime I believe.

                            I'll just be patient for now. I checked Prime, and no joy. And I dumped Netfliix after their last price increase, because I seldom used it. Down to just 7 streaming services now. I've got a feeling that sooner or later, Disney will buy the series, and I've got that covered.

                              Dune (1984) is on Amazon Prime as well. The Blue Ray is dirt cheap as well.

                              I saw Part 2 on the weekend. Good but diverting too far from canon for me.

                              IMHO the best was the miniseries Dune (2000) and Children of Dune (2003). I think it was Sci-fi channel. Fortunately I recorded it at the time and subsequently ripped it to DVD. I've never seen it on a streaming service but I think it is available on DVD &/or Blu Ray.

                              edit. Maybe not on US Prime?

                              brent 12 Monkey's is one of my favorites as well, but take a look at La Jetee (1962) which inspired it. Pretty cool movie.

                                  riffer heard all about it as the original touchstone source and had always been on my 'to find' list. I knew that meant 'the runway' and all the b. willis stuff beginning/end was centered on that moment.

                                    @elfprince have you read the books? No spoilers in that video BTW.

                                    I'm excited that part 3 appears to be happening, even if it will be a few years before we see it.

                                      qk4-li3 to me, Brazil is more of a fantasy film with dystopian themes.

                                      Isn't science fiction basically speculative fiction about science, for example "what if faster-than-light travel was possible?" (Star Trek/Star Wars) or "what if artificial intelligence existed?" (I, Robot) or "what if we could clone a dinosaur?" (Jurassic Park) etc?

                                          synth-ruiner Brazil - Sure, that's one way to look at it.

                                          Sometimes - many times, I find some films look very scientific on the surface, but underneath is pure fantasy or superstitious fairy tale. Well, those are sci-fi for some but to me "proper" SciFi represents more than a fairy tale in technical looking environment. I think Star Wars is good example of this.
                                          And let's just state the obvious: Is some piece of cinematography ruined if it doesn't fit some category or definition? No. Of course definitions can be fun and interesting to some degree, but they also quickly become irrelevant and boring. A good film is a good film, good music is good music and all that is very subjective.

                                            elfprince Yeah same. As a teen I read the original six, then every sequel/prequel thing put out by the younger Herbert. Later learned that the sequel/prequel stuff is poorly reviewed and I wasn't supposed to like those. ¯\(ツ)/¯

                                            When the first movie came out I told people it was my favorite movie of the year, but I'm horribly biased.

                                                2 months later

                                                Does this count as sci fi?

                                                Wife and I saw this last night and laughed As*** Off for an hour or more. Good lord it must have been 25 years since I've seen this beginning to end. still a masterpiece.
                                                But is it sci-fi? It's got to be 🙂

                                                  brent Does this count as sci fi?

                                                  Never considered Ghostbusters as Sci-Fi Movie 😛

                                                  I don't remember if I posted about The Matrix 4 (aka Resurrections).
                                                  As I predicted it was horrible, avoid.

                                                  The Matrix from 1999 is the only one true Matrix!

                                                  My most anticipated upcoming movie is FURIOSA

                                                      Solarmass ehhh

                                                      Fury was Theron's movie (she was brilliant); Hardy was along for the ride.
                                                      These two leads in this trailer as Imperotor Furiousa and Max(?) are as unappealing as it comes. It looks awful CGI-drenched (I thought I was watching the awful Avatar) as Miller was always anti-CGI, pro stuntman/realism. But I know he is 'handing off the reigns' of his franchise.
                                                      I wish Theron and Hardy would have signed up for two more.
                                                      But they didn't. So maybe it ended there.
                                                      It's never eclipsed the Mel Gibson movies tbh. It never turned in to a 007 franchise in that regard. Furiousa 2 won't change it. It does not look appealing to me...
                                                      ...that said post-apocalyptic and dystopian is how I prefer my sci-fi and I love Max movies so ya never know🙂

                                                        I do like the Fallout series, even though I haven't played the games.

                                                        Solarmass Never considered Ghostbusters as Sci-Fi Movie

                                                        Nope - pure fantasy. And a pretty good job of it, in my opinion.

                                                          WetGeek LOL, Woke was a work in progress in Academia back then, but they couldnt get enough traction, due to the Internet also being a work in progress... = )

                                                            Actually the roots of wokeness go far further back than 1989.

                                                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

                                                            But nowadays it's just used as the new term for political correctness or whatever. Anyway, I won't derail this thread any further apart from this little tidbit.