Redshift tray icon too big

Oh yeah? Try running Discord or anything with obsolete tray icons. Too big, randomly disappearing... All tray icons will continue to break because Topicons Plus is no longer maintained. Solus just includes it in GNOME Shell version because its the only tray icons extension left that will even run on modern versions of Shell. Nobody is taking over that project. As GNOME-centric app devs drop support or abandon support, there will be ugliness and inconsistency, and there is no fix because it's a total breakdown at every level of an agreed upon desktop interface paradigm in the Linux world. This is how democracy dies.

Personally, I just turn off tray icons now. Budgie can continue to support tray icons, and that might encourage a few devs to patch in fixes for their apps' built-in icons or whatever, but no mainstream distros will use KDE, MATE is just plain old, so I don't foresee a long term future for tray icons anymore, which btw makes tray-only apps like NitroShare unusable, so I disagree with Solus' decision to remove the unmaintained yet still functional Dukto from the repos. Off the rails, sorry.

Scotty-Trees It was common knowledge that Topicons Plus was not going to be developed anymore for almost a year. That update 18 days ago followed a gap of, what, 2 months without Shell 3.36 support with some significant bugs unresolved since the release of 3.34? Apparently the maintainer changed his mind. Regardless, there are major bugs not being addressed like the aforementioned wrong-sized icons and the development is slow. Should apps or essential UI features like the examples I provided rely on this specific functionality for daily use? Obviously not in the long run imho.

DataDrake 1) "Solus is not a democracy. It's the selfish passion project of a few dedicated individuals working together to build the distro they want to use. We listen to our users, but we are not governed by them."

Sorry I wasn't clear -- when I said democracy was being ignored I was referring to GNOME Shell design, not Solus. By disregarding universal user and dev UI expectations, GNOME has forced you and practically every other mainstream distro offering Shell to recreate tray icons, and then you have GNOME app devs ignoring that standard on the DE that continue to support tray icons, which creates exponential bugs nobody is in a position to properly fix, like the current state of Topicons Plus. A major app like Discord, for example, is ignoring GNOME Shell's forced obsolescence of tray icons, which causes it to crash with default settings unless users turn off the tray icon in Discord Settings. This is absurd.

2) "Uhhh. What? Plasma is the default DE on several distributions."

Not the flagship spins of Ubuntu and Fedora is what I meant. Therefore, Plasma & Qt will never get priority via funding nor paid dev time.

3) "No. No it isn't. It's modeled after GNOME2, but very much actively maintained with new features all the time."

Certainly, but MATE isn't as actively developed as GNOME Shell or Plasma, nor will Discord devs prioritize helping resolve MATE tray issues because MATE is not a flagship or richly sponsored DE. This is not controversial of me to say. MATE is fantastic, but also notorious for unresolved tray icon bugs, even with its own default software like Network. I can count mainstream desktop Linux apps on one hand: Steam, Discord, Skype, maybe Dropbox... a cursory Google search shows they all have common unresolved tray icon bugs: icons too big, doubled, right-click doesn't work, etc.

3) "Tray icons aren't going anywhere. They've been a part of virtually every desktop environment for the last 3 decades. GNOME might get rid of them, but they continually remove features just because they don't think they are important. We aren't GNOME."

I know. I'd thank God if he existed. Instead I use Solus and thank you fellas.

4) "On GNOME. Which we patch with an extensions so that this doesn't happen..."

Yeah, and we, the people, appreciate it. All I'm doing is informing you of the half dozen other popular apps in the repo that either looked like crap or worked like crap on the previous version of Topicons Plus, like this topic's issue with Redshift. I erroneously thought Topicons Plus wasn't being maintained anymore. I'll try the new 3.36 version from 18 days ago and once again report bugs to that poor sole dev fighting a losing war over there.

At the end of the day, I don't want new users thinking Solus GNOME is bugged because the whole UX hinges on a semi-reliable extension that's trying to play nicely with critical apps that often ignore tray icon bugs because GNOME said don't use them anymore.

5) "Dukto is a network application. One that is no longer maintained and that no one is patching for CVE's. We will not and should not ship software which puts our users at unnecessary risk. Not that this has anything to do with tray icons, or even the main reason it was removed. We are trying to deprecate Qt4. Qt4 is also no longer maintained and and we aren't going to keep it around in the name of supporting more unmaintained software."

Yeah, you're right. I also didn't know you were getting rid of Qt4 when I wrote that, so I'm instead trying to donate to the effort to build a UI for Magic Wormhole or something, as NitroShare development might be ending too as the sole dev seems to have quit. There's no other GUI network file transfer app in the repo, so that's why I brought up the issue with regard to tray icons support. Not really related to this thread at all tho. Sorry.

A major app like Discord, for example, is ignoring GNOME Shell's forced obsolescence of tray icons, which causes it to crash with default settings unless users turn off the tray icon in Discord Settings. This is absurd.

I had a problem like this once when I was in Business costttttttttttttttt me thousands of dollars beacuase the software developer thought nobody would ever turn the setting off when you did it still kept running..duh (above reference was met to be a good point)

Just on a sidenote (not trying to cause problems) So far the forum has been a decent place for me at times it a place to get away to see whats going learn things but the direction its going now I dont think is healthy for it and the mods and devo really try to help people thats good the state of the previous posts is not healthy maybe solus is right for some ppl others they just need to go to another distro rather than nit pick solus! I started tinkering with linux back on a 486 you think you got problems now..lol (Yes I know who is who in forum and comment isnt met against you) Thanks to the developers for the hard work you put into Solus!

Axios t the direction its going now I dont think is healthy for it and the mods and devo really try to help people thats good the state of the previous posts is not healthy maybe solus is right for some ppl others they just need to go to another distro rather than nit pick solus

the "but this always worked on my previous OS so Solus needs to fix it NOW" people tense me out as well, but they can always see the light. this is the over-represented griping set you refer to. It's all good. I think this forum has had that mix from the beginning like a recipe chat or a car repair site...and like you said "it's a good place for me." You and a lot of people (dev/mod/user) have took time to help me and I try hard to do the same. In that way it's a pretty functional place. I am not innocent with the snark by any means on some days.Keep on keeping on---cheers, I appreciate your sentiment.
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When I figured out your just plain crazy Brent I could deal with ya....ROFL

DataDrake "Spending most of my evening arguing is a funny way of showing thanks."

Very sorry. I didn't regard this as argumentative at all. Besides, we want to pay you; you guys always refuse donations.

Just trying to improve the UX by sharing relevant information about predictable future issues from a desktop user point of view that devs probably wouldn't notice given the nature of their work. A gigantic broken icon by default isn't a positive first impression for Solus, and I feel Solus devs and users ought to know if this is a bug that's on someone's roadmap to fix, which it isn't AFAIK, and would require more coordination between Plata and Topicon Plus, and then you have the separate Discord issue I brought up. That's what forum discussions are for imho. In the long run, there will probably have to be a better solution to the tray icon standardization problem in the post-GNOME 3.26 era. I feel the person asking about why his Redshift icon doesn't look right should get the full context, so he doesn't make another post on the Solus Forums in the future about what he perceives is a Solus bug that isn't. IMHO. No combativeness here.